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Post by wilmsmeyer on Jan 21, 2009 6:20:25 GMT -5
This looks like a bullet with potential here. Anyone thought of trying them?
This bullet could be a nice, affordable compromise over BO's and a terminal step up from XTP's and SST's of similar weight. Heavier jacket and the interlocking ring.
Looks like just over 50 cents each in cabela's. Probably has a BC of at least a 300SST or 300 BO.
I might try 'em soon.
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Post by encoreguy on Jan 21, 2009 7:05:15 GMT -5
I plan on trying them as soon as I get some on hand.
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Post by Chris Champion on Jan 21, 2009 7:48:25 GMT -5
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Post by jarheadodie on Jan 21, 2009 8:34:08 GMT -5
Hey Guys, I'm just getting my feet wet into smokeless muzzleloading and thought that bullets over 300 gr were not recommended with smokeless...I will continue to do research...but I like the this new bullet! Any input appreciated. Thanks and Semper Fi
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Post by rossman40 on Jan 21, 2009 9:50:28 GMT -5
This is just a bigger SST ML that they load in the 45-70. From what a friend told me who pulled some and tried in front of his loads they still handgrenade at 2000fps. Much like the SST ML I would think 100yds downrange after it has scrubbed some speed off may put it into the envelope but I do not know if there would be enough accuracy gain to warrant the 10% extra weight advantage over the 300gr SST
I have learned that you can not trust Hornady's advertisements, or at least you have to read between the lines. They call the .008 jacket on the FPB thick. If you remember their words on the 250gr SST ML, "Hornady’s blackpowder SST™/sabot bullet achieves controlled expansion with less fragmentation–delivering better penetration, higher retained weight, and improved ballistic coefficient", that might be true at 1700fps but results we have seen it isn't the case at 2200fps.
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Post by onecardchuck on Jan 21, 2009 10:07:53 GMT -5
I agree with rossman40 that I do not trust alot of Hornady's bullet advertisements. I have stayed away from Hornady bullets for two reasons. 1) having dismal results with the FPB and not to enthused with the capability for the 250s to stay together, 2) I don't shoot all that much and can afford a little more expensive bullet that can hold up to my need for speed.
I am in no way saying they make a bad bullet, I am just saying they don't make one that handles my need for speed. I have not tried the 300 SST's and probably won't since the BO and some other bullets are having great success at higher speeds.
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Jan 21, 2009 17:09:39 GMT -5
Thanks for that heads up Rossman. That's too bad. Might try 'em anyways and see what the londer range accuracy potential is. I don't like the grenade type bullets, but I've seen a pile of deer shot at all angles with the 300 SST and even though they go to peices, they almost always exit. When they don't they've at least made it to the vitals. This is with 2 Savage guys in camp who shoot this bullet very well.
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Post by encoreguy on Jan 21, 2009 17:53:18 GMT -5
Thanks for that heads up Rossman. That's too bad. Might try 'em anyways and see what the londer range accuracy potential is. I don't like the grenade type bullets, but I've seen a pile of deer shot at all angles with the 300 SST and even though they go to peices, they almost always exit. When they don't they've at least made it to the vitals. This is with 2 Savage guys in camp who shoot this bullet very well. If they hold up as good as the 300 SST I have no problem with them at all. The 300's are far from grenades, some have complained that they don't open up enough and never stay in the deer. Now I will agree that the 250's tend to fall apart, but for some reason the 300 SST's seem to be much tougher. I was shooting 300 grain bonded shockwaves but quit because they did not expand as well so I went back to the standard SST's. They certainly have to hold up as well as the 300 grain .457 Remington's and I don't have a problem with them either. |
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Post by youp50 on Jan 21, 2009 20:46:24 GMT -5
I would tend to believe that they MAY be constructed for higher speeds. They are loaded in the 450 Marlin with a published MV of some 2200 fps.
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Post by olsmokey on Jan 21, 2009 20:57:19 GMT -5
Midway has the .458 325gr. and .452 250gr. flex tips for $26.99 and $25.99. per 50. Cabelas said don't know when they will be getting any. Ordered 100 of each just to try out.
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Post by rossman40 on Jan 21, 2009 23:37:01 GMT -5
The 250gr FTX (Hornady PN 45201) is the 250gr SST ML that is packaged with sabots and loaded in 450 Bushmaster ammo. Maybe the name change is a ploy by Hornady's marketing to make people think it is a different bullet. The tip was changed a couple of years ago from a hard plastic to the softer as is used with the Leverevolution ammo.
The 325gr may be interesting, my friend says it is the most accurate bullet he has shot in his 45-70s, supposedly even better then the BOs. But I suspect terminal performance will be about the same as the 300gr SST (will they call them the FTX when they sell those in bulk?).
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Post by encoreguy on Jan 22, 2009 0:06:01 GMT -5
I wish we could buy them with the old hard poly tip instead of the flex tip. It was interesting that when I shot both at 200 yards (I am talking about 300 SST and 300 shockwave) the flex tip shot (if I remember right) about 2-3" lower, when they both impacted the same at 100 yards.
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