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Post by broomebuck on May 11, 2009 15:22:02 GMT -5
living in the burbs everyone has their piece of the pie i have these two dogs frequent my property my gramps and my neighbors this winter i had one growl at me before and after i fired a 20ga slug into the ground now they are back and i seen one with a fawn im sick to my stomach and i think its going to meet my savage ml i dont know what to do
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Post by wilmsmeyer on May 11, 2009 18:55:15 GMT -5
If you have a way to handle it with the owners I would suggest that first...to keep the peace.
If that fails, I would not hesitate to "handle" the situation with deadly force. I would dispose of them secretly and not mouth a word to a soul. Dogs "gone wild" is not allowed around these parts. No need to involve anyone if it gets bad...just do the dirty deed and take care of business. I would suggest maximum firepower to eliminate the possibility of sending them home with a minor flsh wound to the a$$...do it right. ML sounds good.
If my dogs ventured into this arena...which would be partly MY FAULT for allowing it,...I would expect that they could become deceased for doing this type of thing around here.
Just my opinion.
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Post by tcmech on May 11, 2009 19:08:47 GMT -5
The situation is a tough one, but I would suggest that if you feel you need to put them down, just do it. Don't discuss it with anyone, and use enough gun to make sure that all you have to do is pick up the carcass and stick it in a pre-dug hole.
I had words with my neighbor about one of his dogs once, and when it turned up dead he blamed me. I didn't kill it, but I was pretty close, I guess one of the other neighbors had enough and just took care of business, but I got the blame for it.
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Post by chuck41 on May 11, 2009 20:39:37 GMT -5
I had a neighbor that had two dogs. Both pit bull crosses. One was friendly, the other not at all.
I went over there one day and he was lamenting that someone had shot and killed his dog. I asked him, "Don, what did you expect? The dog was vicious! Apparently somebody got tired of getting threatened."
He couldn't believe that sweet little poochie was a threat even though he had to hold the darned dog back every time anyone came up to his house. I didn't shoot him, but I was glad somebody had. I jogged a couple times a week and every time I ran by his place the dog would come out and threaten me, I'm sure it did to other folks as well.
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Post by ozark on May 11, 2009 20:40:22 GMT -5
Our home and lawn is surrounded by a dense border of trees and shrubs. We have several trees inside our fenced yard. It is a bird heaven and a magnet for neighborhood cats. I know it is their nature to hunt so I don't blame them. But let me tell you that the purest definition of panic is a cat in a live trap. One catch and they are not seen in the area later.
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Post by chuck41 on May 11, 2009 20:44:02 GMT -5
You ever notice that if you catch a possum in that trap and release it you will catch it again in a few days. But if you catch a cat just one time, it will never get it in that trap again! ;D ;D Raccoons are somewhere in between.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on May 11, 2009 21:14:18 GMT -5
The dog's may not be ferrel dog's... I am a dog lover..and chance's are ...those dogs may be some child's pet.... We have authorities who deal with these kind's of problem's..and the owner's if need be. Call the county or if you call the Game Warden about the fawn..He will help deal with the issue... I feel it's better to let them deal with it. Drop
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Post by mkjstep on May 11, 2009 22:15:56 GMT -5
Shoot, bury, forget!
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Post by wilmsmeyer on May 12, 2009 5:19:01 GMT -5
Quick additional story...may not apply to a big growling dog.
My friend has a neighbor that has some large poodle cridder that staulks his cat when he lets it out. One day it chased the cat into his house. Friendly enough to pet but surely a threat to his cats life on HIS property. He brought the dog to the owner twice...who seemed unconcerned.
The 3rd time it almost made it in the house. He locked the cat in the bedroom, let the dog in, brought it downstairs, played with it and THEN...and THEN...fetched a pail of burdocks he picked for the occation and packed the dogs feet, ears, crotch and body with them and let him outside. He promptly returned home and hasn't been in the yard since.
Now that's creative and better then shooting it I guess.
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Post by broomebuck on May 12, 2009 6:24:14 GMT -5
drop one thing in ny now with our great govenor there is only one dec officer per county and its a mon thru friday 9to5 job no over time , four years ago before i had kids i would have killed them on the spot. well the ml is loaded we will see what happens thanks guys
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Post by orion on May 12, 2009 7:46:48 GMT -5
When I was young we had a neighbor that had wild cats, the dam things would get in our garage and spray and try to live in all our equipment. Nothing like a tent that smells like cat. I told the neighbors to keep control of the cats, and they ingnored me.
Well I would trap them in the garage by leaving the door open a crack and then slamming down when they were in. I would then dispatch them up in the rafters of the garage with a .22 with cb caps, one shot was usually enough and no one could hear it with the door closed. Dead cat into the trash can.
One thing you could try with the dogs if you can get close enough, is a paint ball gun. After smattering them with paint it should be easy for the CO to identify them.
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Post by chuck41 on May 12, 2009 20:30:48 GMT -5
. . . . . . . . . . One thing you could try with the dogs if you can get close enough, is a paint ball gun. After smattering them with paint it should be easy for the CO to identify them. Now that is an inventive proposal. Unfortunately it won't work here. There is NO COUNTY ANIMAL CONTROL here so even when you mark them there is no enforcement available. Mkjstep has the only workable solution. " Shoot, bury, forget!" and I might add " keep your mouth shut"! |
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Post by minst7877 on May 12, 2009 23:08:39 GMT -5
My grandfather told me the way to handle this was the three S's. Shoot, Shovel, Shutup.
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Post by screwbolts on May 13, 2009 5:47:38 GMT -5
If you are in an area that you can't shoot, maybe you should leave some large sponges out back that you soaked in gravy. On the farm I had a rifle that always stayed in my truck it was my DOG gun.
We got seven one year in a late august drive of one corn field. Yes 7, the previous night our cows had been run threw a fence and we had to have the vet to sew up a torn milk artery on one cow.
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Post by rjhans53 on May 13, 2009 13:34:57 GMT -5
Ya know I sort of like the paint ball idea, once as a warning, the next time use a paint gun but use frozen paint.
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Post by thelefthand on May 23, 2009 1:16:53 GMT -5
I don't make it a habit of killing dogs that wonder through the yard unless they pose a threat of some kind. Sounds like yours do. If it's someone's pet, then IMHO you don't dig a hole. You leave it on their door step so that they can explain to their kids the importance of being a RESPONSIBLE pet owner. I would shy away from the use of the ML. Too loud for my liking. If I were in an area that I felt comfortable "dealing" with this situation with my ML, then there would be no need for me to dig a hole. Just chuck it in a ravine when I'm done. I live on the edge of town, and I keep a 22 handy for just such a reason. A 22 mag would be a better option though. Either way it's head shots only. Then again, I keep an AR and a 12ga handy for those situations when a head shot isn't likely, and I'm not concerned about possible reprocussions of firing a rifle "in town". For me that's a rabid looking creature, or anything that poses a direct physical threat to my family or my own dogs (like coyotes). Having said all that, we have a population of 700, and I live on the edge of town at the end of a dead end street. My house is surrounded by neighbors on one side, a woods on the other, a ravine and small pond behind us, and a corn field across the street. So take it for what it's worth. I like the story of the cats above. My dad wasn't so discrete. We had a LOT of cats in the neighbor hood when I was relatively young. Not sure if they were stray cats or if everyone was just in the habit of letting their cats run at night. Either way dad HATES cats. So after a pretty good day of catching blue gill, instead of burying the remains in the garden for fertalizer like we normally did, he dumped it all in the trash barrel, and never bothered putting a fire in it. Went out with a 12 ga that night and proceeded to thin the local feline herd. We never, and I mean NEVER had another cat problem in town.  |
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Post by 12ptdroptine on May 24, 2009 9:42:43 GMT -5
I don't make it a habit of killing dogs that wonder through the yard unless they pose a threat of some kind. Sounds like yours do. If it's someone's pet, then IMHO you don't dig a hole. You leave it on their door step so that they can explain to their kids the importance of being a RESPONSIBLE pet owner. I would shy away from the use of the ML. Too loud for my liking. If I were in an area that I felt comfortable "dealing" with this situation with my ML, then there would be no need for me to dig a hole. Just chuck it in a ravine when I'm done. I live on the edge of town, and I keep a 22 handy for just such a reason. A 22 mag would be a better option though. Either way it's head shots only. Then again, I keep an AR and a 12ga handy for those situations when a head shot isn't likely, and I'm not concerned about possible reprocussions of firing a rifle "in town". For me that's a rabid looking creature, or anything that poses a direct physical threat to my family or my own dogs (like coyotes). Having said all that, we have a population of 700, and I live on the edge of town at the end of a dead end street. My house is surrounded by neighbors on one side, a woods on the other, a ravine and small pond behind us, and a corn field across the street. So take it for what it's worth. I like the story of the cats above. My dad wasn't so discrete. We had a LOT of cats in the neighbor hood when I was relatively young. Not sure if they were stray cats or if everyone was just in the habit of letting their cats run at night. Either way dad HATES cats. So after a pretty good day of catching blue gill, instead of burying the remains in the garden for fertalizer like we normally did, he dumped it all in the trash barrel, and never bothered putting a fire in it. Went out with a 12 ga that night and proceeded to thin the local feline herd. We never, and I mean NEVER had another cat problem in town. Killing some one's pet and leaving it on their front step for their children to see... You are WAY OUT OF LINE! Obviously if you know where the pet lives there would be other ways to deal with it. But intentionally killing that child's pet and leaving it on the front step to traumatize those children... Dude you need to take a good long look at yourself...AINT NO EXCUSE FOR THAT KIND OF ACTION !!!! Drop |
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Post by thelefthand on May 24, 2009 16:41:15 GMT -5
Wow Drop, you skipped right past that first part about me not making a habit of killing dogs who walk across my yard. While I really dislike cats, I happen to like dogs and have two of my own. My wife like her min pin, and I wouldn't trade my German Shorthair for much of anything. However, if a dog threatens my family then yes, I would put an end to its life right there, and yes I'd take it back to the owners and man up to what I had done. Now if it's a case of a habitual offender, then things change slightly. There's no excuse for that kind of crap, and if a person refuses to control their property, then I will control it for them. Notice that I said refuses to take care of their property and not can't, or is having a hard time taking care of it. Kids make lots of mistakes, and so do adults, and that's one thing. But occationaly you run across a kind of person who doesn't believe you can do anything about it, and they will have the nerve to tell it to your face. And yes, I'll bring them back their dead dog. At the end of the day their dog is an animal to me, and I have no problems treating it that way if the other options have failed.
I understand the shoot it and bury it, and in the country side I'll do that just that because it's not worth my effort to track down the owner. In town, if you're going to take matters into your own hands, then man up to it and take the responsibility that goes along with it.
Just my 2 bits,
Mark
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Post by tcmech on May 24, 2009 17:35:19 GMT -5
Mark,
If you want to face charges that most localities will impose go ahead and take the dead dog back to the owner and explain to them that they are responsible for you shooting their dog. The criminal penalties that are imposed for killing a dog where I live are not worth the "Manning Up".
Just kill the dogs, bury the dogs, have the shovel bronzed, and QUIETLY go on with your life.
Craig
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Post by ozark on May 24, 2009 18:18:52 GMT -5
A few months ago my grandsons new wife backed a trailer over my live trap and flattened it. I didn't shoot, shovel and bury her. Instead a few days ago I spent almost $70.00 for a replacement, First night I set it I captured the big black cat that has been using our flower beds and garden as a bathroom. My daughter took it to the river and dumped it out on our property there. If it shows up while I am on watch I will dispose of it. But, last night I caught a full grown raccoon in the trap. I was surprised because we live in town. It went to the river to become buddies with the cat today. Now, I wonder what will be in the trap when I look in the morning. This trapping is fun. As for shooting dogs or cats that might belong to a neighbor I just don't do. It is a law of the hills that doing so could bring on a death sentence. Some animal owners declare themselves Judge, Jury and executioner. One man bought a small farm locally and soon developed a reputation of killing all dogs he seen crossing his farm. His tractor and vehicles begin developing bullet holes in radiators. One pickup truck got that desease while he was driving it. Shot from long range. Fortunately, he had sense enough to ask some neighbors why he was being punished. They told him and he put a full page ad in the local paper admiting guilt of killing dogs and promised never to do it again if people would just forgive him. He has had no more problems and permits hunters to use his farm to coonhunt or squirrel hunt. The local law enforcers never made any great effort to catch the radiator hunters.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on May 24, 2009 18:20:33 GMT -5
You will do what you decide to do. The part of leaving it on the front step for them to explain to their children the importance of responsible pet ownership is the part that I am disturbed about. That child didn't do anything to deserve that kind of reprisal...No matter what the parent's did or didn't do. With That ,I am done with comment on this Thread. Drop
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Post by ozark on May 24, 2009 19:42:16 GMT -5
I agree with drop that leaving a pet dead on a doorstep so that parents can explain what pet ownership mean to a child is a crude thought. People here in rural Arkansas are maybe behind the times but you don't insult a mans wife, shoot his dog, or kill his cats or any other of his animals without creating problems you don't want or need. If someones animals are causing you a problem you go to the owner and complain. You may be told to shoot the animal or the owner may take corrective action to resolve the problem But, the kind of person you are soon ends up as your reputation in the neighborhood and if your standards are below that which is accepted don't expect to live in peace and contentment. To be happy you must fit into the reality of how it is and has been since the pioneers settled here. Occasionally we have folks move in and want things changed. They usually adjust or decide that these beautiful hills and clear streams are filled with a lot of people who like it as it is. Did Obama actgually say" America is the greatest country the world has ever known, please help me change it.?"
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Post by chuck41 on May 24, 2009 23:12:37 GMT -5
I agree with drop that leaving a pet dead on a doorstep so that parents can explain what pet ownership mean to a child is a crude thought. . . . . . . . . . . Did Obama actgually say" America is the greatest country the world has ever known, please help me change it.?" Ozark, Yep. He sure did, back before the election. I couldn't believe folks didn't pick up on that. It was pretty well reported in the media and he said it in one of his major campaign speeches. There is often substantial legal problems with shooting someone's dog. In Texas for example it can be prosecuted as extreme animal cruelty and you could face a felony charge for it. That's why I recommend Mkjstep's solution. "Shoot, bury, forget!" and I might add "keep your mouth shut"! We had someone down the road from me that had a neighbor's dog that came over and killed his chickens. He complained repeatedly and the woman insisted poochie wouldn't do such things. Finally he caught the dog with a chicken in its mouth and blasted it with a shotgun, leaving the evidence dog, chicken and all lying there. The woman called the sheriff on him and when the deputy came out she loudly protested her dog didn't chase chickens. The deputy said, "Then lady, that obviously ain't your dog." and he left. |
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Post by boarhog on May 24, 2009 23:25:49 GMT -5
I live out in the county, and we lack any animal control law or officer. My policy is, that if it has a collar, I try to catch it to take home with a friendly request to the owner to keep the dog/s secured. Friendly with an undercurrent of promise to eliminate both our problems if he doesn't do something himself. If it has no collar, I consider it wild and do what I have to do.
My wife and I try to walk early mornings weather permitting. A couple of years back, a new neighbor's 2 pitbulls ran out and tried to attack. I had a good hickory walking stick and was able to crack the most aggressive one across the nose. That backed him up enough for us to get away. This time I wasn't so nice. I called the neighbor, told him what had happened, and asked what he planned to do when his dogs mauled any of the several youngsters that ride bikes and play on this road all summer. Told him that I had filed a vicious animal report with the Sherriff, but that, even though I am a dog person and do not want to destroy a pet, I would solve the problem myself if it happened again. I haven't seen those dogs since, and I am glad because I really don't want to be forced into killing them.
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Post by chuck41 on May 25, 2009 8:42:40 GMT -5
Aggressive and unrestrained dogs are definitely a threat. Some people just don't want to believe it. I have a neighbor that spent almost a month in the hospital after being attacked by two pit bulls when riding on an ATV on his own property. It ain't a funny thing.
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Post by artjr338wm on May 26, 2009 15:21:29 GMT -5
The solution to your sutuation falls under the "Three S Rule"
#1-Shoot
#2-Shovel
#3-Shutup
Rule #3 being the most important of them.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2009 16:09:40 GMT -5
Runnin dog is a dead dog and hopefully the neighbor won't make you shoot your own dog. I saw that happen and it wrecked a friendship.But that is the rule in livestock country. Rocky
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Post by artjr338wm on May 26, 2009 16:23:12 GMT -5
Chuck is absolutely correct that large aggressive dogs can and do pose a serious threat to not just a adults life but a even greater one to children.
I distinctly recall a widely publicized case that ended horribly and tragically, were a woman owned three large and aggressive Rots. They had a history of bad behavior and she had a bad and as it would turn out a fatal habit of letting her Rots run wild and she had been warned about her dogs in the past.
Long story short, while loose, the three Rots chased and treed two young brothers up a tree. When the older brother saw them leave he got down to go and try to get help. The dogs came back and attached him and killed him tearing him into over 10 separate parts. The police finally came shot all three dogs and rescued the still treed younger brother.
The woman owner of the dog was later tried and convicted of some level of reckless homicide and sentenced by the judge to the max years allowed by law. The judge commented that the reason for handing down the max penalty was all during her trial she showed no remorse or ever apologized to the dead boys family and when asked by the judge if she had anything to say prior to sentencing all she could say was "the police had no right to shoot her babies" or words to that affect.
I simply can not imagine or more easily preventable tragedy than this one.
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Post by ozark on May 26, 2009 17:07:49 GMT -5
Pit Bulls and Rots are a couple of breeds which IMO only people with some kind of a complex would own. These visious breeds with a history of attacking people are normally seen in the neighborhood and the owneres are known. I believe that a township or community should have an ordance defining how these breeds must be controled at all time. If seen uncontroled they should be killed. I know that sounds strong but a child out playing has no defense against these killers. I would shoot one in a heartbeat and let a judge rule as he choose. If he ruled to put a clothes pin on my oxygen tube rather than put me in jail where they would have to have a nurse to care for me then so be it.
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Post by thelefthand on May 26, 2009 18:10:40 GMT -5
Pit Bulls and Rots are a couple of breeds which IMO only people with some kind of a complex would own. Ozark, I'll start by saying that I have a great deal of respect for you, but that statement is pure nonsence. I've known all kinds of breeds to be hostile, and most of them are the smaller ones. I don't own either of these breeds, but I have known people who do, and their dogs have been very well behaved. I've seen a number of pit bulls specifically that were VERY lovable. The problem is the size and strength of the so called "dangerous" breeds. If they choose to attack, they can do some real damage, but then again so can several other breeds like German Sheapards, Boxers, Great Danes, and Mastoffs just to name a few. For that matter, most medium and large size breeds have the potential to do a LOT of damage to a person. Some dogs just have bad dispositions to begin with. IMHO (which I'll give since I already have my flame retardant suit on), if those dogs are not going to be trained properly they should be put down at a young age regardless of the breed. FWIW - I would advocate ALWAYS trying to work things out with the dogs owner first. Strays are obviously a different story, but when you kill somone's dog they tend to look for a way to get even, and they seldom care whether they can "prove" that you're the one who did it. If the owner chooses to be a jerk, then so be it. I live in Indiana, and here a dog is property. If your property is posing a danger to me or destroying my property, then I have the right to take care of it. |
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