45 cal sabot less and thor bullets , hornady fpb

[homebrook]

anybody making a 45 cal bullet like the 50 cal thor or 50 cal hornady fpb  homebrook

[rangeball]

Not that I know of. Thor looked into doing it several years back and I think gave up because there was more barrel tolerance range in the .45s than the .50s. Maybe Federal will offer one in their new B.O.R but for this year it's .50 only.

That said, there are a range of .45 class bullets that have been shot successfully sabotless. What barrel do you have?

[rangeball]

Forgot to add, a few years back I milled out the base of some barnes 250gr TEZs hoping they would react similar to the Thors in one of my .45s. They didn't shoot very well. But it turned out I had a scope issue as not much really did, and a new scope solved the issued but I never revisited it as it shoots the 250gr hornady XP sub moa with no sizing, just stuff and seat firmly on top of a veggie wad over 56gr of H4198.

[homebrook]

my barrel was done by MGM with a Douglas blank bull barrel 26 in long Barnes .451 fall through and hornady 452 won t even start thank you for the info

[homebrook]

i forgot to add slufoot did my conversion from a 45-70 i thing someone else would hit same hole at 100 yd j can make a clover leaf that is my best shooting ever

[rangeball]

Try a parker ballistic extreme. .4515, may be perfect and it's a great bullet for shooting sabotless as the thinner jacket obturates easily to get a good seal. Consistently accurate bullet. If you push it to speed just stay off large bones at close range.

What kind of range and fps are you looking for in a load? Did you try the 250gr XTP? Other .452 hornadys didn't want to fit but this one fits great. Shorter bearing length and thinner jacket likely the reason. Same thing as the parker, stay off big bone at close range.

[homebrook]

Thank you everyone .4515 sounds like just what I need cant wait to get some and try, Ill post the results
homebrook

[rangeball]

Don't forget to use a wad when shooting smooth sided sabotless. Will help with seal and ignition. I use veggie but others have had luck with wool, both lubed and dry.

I would recommend getting a sample pack of the bullets and wads from Luke at smokelessmz.com

[rambler]

Does anyone shoot these sabotless??

www.hornady.com/store/50-Cal-Sabot-Low-Drag-with-45-Cal-300-SST-Bullet/

www.jgsales.com/.45cal-hornady-ml-bullet,-no-sabot-.452-300gr-sst,-50ct-p-40317.html

[rambler]

www.jgsales.com/.50cal-hornady-ml-bullet,-no-sabot-.452-250gr-sst,-50ct-p-40315.html

[rangeball]

Rambler, only one of those links worked. Many have used the 300gr sst effectively, but that low drag sabot might not be up to smokeless pressure. Also it's designed to be thinner so it slides down easier and my not provide the barrel fit and back pressure needed to reliably ignite smokeless powder.

But that bullet in the right fitting sabot works great.

[rambler]

I won't be using a sabot. Bought some of them without the sabots. 50 to a box from the site below

thought they might be a cheap route for playing around target shooting. I'll use a parker when I'm serious about hunting.

try this link:

www.jgsales.com/.45cal-hornady-ml-bullet,-no-sabot-.452-300gr-sst,-50ct-p-40317.html

[rambler]

I don't know why it won't let me copy the URL to this message board. if you guys want to view this site copy and paste it into an address bar

sorry bout that

[bestill]

Aug 13, 2014 14:17:03 GMT -5 homebrook said:

Thank you everyone .4515 sounds like just what I need cant wait to get some and try, Ill post the results
homebrook

I have had great luck with Parker bullets with.060 wad in Douglas barrels they fit perfect imo.

[rambler]

That's what I'll be using when I'm serious.

[bestill]

Keep us posted how they fit in Douglas barrel mine the .452 hornady was extremely tight and very hard to load. Thanks

[rambler]

I'll keep you guys posted. I've got a smooth form from swinglock so if the .452's are tight i'll size em down a little.

I wanna see what loose bullets do like Hankins uses in his guns.

I discovered this message board last xmas day and I've been addicted to this stuff ever since.

[homebrook]

This forum and you folks are awesome I tried Parker sample pack 275 gr b.e. this bullet fit perfect and shot well
I used 55 gr. of imr 4198 and a 60 veggi wad going to move up to 62 gr of imr 4198 or even more if I feel it is safe to shoot. Think this well be my deer stopper load

[jsthntn247]

I'm confused as all get out on acceptable pressure levels with the 275 Parker BE (or any bullet for that matter). I've read folks shooting sabotless and using from 56 grains to 78 grains. I usually load regular rifle cartridges and understand there are tighter bores, thicker cases, smaller chambers...etc, but you can start 10% below published max loads and your fine. 78 grains is an almost 40% increase to 56 grains. How is one to know where to start and stop with smokeless charges when you have no case to look at for pressure signs??

[rangeball]

If you look in the load data section, you'll see a huge resource of pressure traces performed by TGinPA. In valuable.

Remember in a cartridge you're limited by case capacity for a given chambering. An SML is essentially a caseless CF, so you can load from say .45 colt to .458 lott, especially when backed by a resource such as powely or other similar reload calculators.

But by all means, when in doubt, ASK!

[jsthntn247]

Rangeball I tried to look at the TGinPa pressure trace data but couldn't make anything out of it. I am looking at loading H4198 and the 275BE smooth formed and the 300 Horn XTP practice. I was thinking at starting a 70 and working up in 1 grain increments until I reached 2700-2800 and a low ES. Should I start lower?

[rangeball]

What gun/barrel?

[jsthntn247]

Savage target action, Brux Barrel probably 23-24", 209 ignition, hs precision stock. I believe the barrel has 5" of shank so it should be plenty stout to handle a load.

[rangeball]

That set up should have no problem handling what you want. I also don't think you'll have to go much above 70gr to find the fps your looking for.

Here's a trace TG did with 78gr of H4198 and a 275gr BE-



PSI is just under 45k.  Even with the 300gr XTP you'll see a bit more psi but should still be fine.  Even then watch your primers is one indicator.  If they are bulging or sticking, post about it and get some input.

The biggest risk with SML seems to be loading errors (double load, wrong too fast powder, leaving ramrod in bore, etc).  It seems widely accepted that Savage tests their guns to 125kpsi.  Me personally I like to stay below 50k.

I bet you have a shooter on your hands.  Best of luck.

[jsthntn247]

Thanks Rb, sorry for hijacking the thread Homebrok