Just range tested my new 20 ga, it liked the Lightfields the best, 3/4 inch group. Next we're the Remington Accutips, 1.5 inches. Great gun, love it. Far superior than the junk piece of Remington 870/cantilever, or the temperamental Savage 220. That gun was a terrible disappointment.
Tested7 different sabots, some were great, some were not so great.
Ialso spent a lot of money on slugs......the SST was touted as the slug of choice for the H&R, but was all over the boards for me! I tried accu-tips, core lokt ultra, partition golds, supreme elites, and finally, the old lightfields.
To my surprise, the best groups were the lightfields, but I dont trust them last 100 yards!
After all that wasted money, I just carry my shotgun as a backup. My SML is my weapon of choice now!
I use a Leupold 3-9 VX II on my 12ga Savage bolt gun and on my Savage 220 . A Remington 1100 with a rifled barrel wears a Leupold VX II 1-4 . The duplex reticle works for any distance that realistic for a modern slug . mrbuck
Post by 30calrifle on Sept 18, 2014 8:19:10 GMT -5
Just an update to my experience with this gun.
Late time I posted everything was fine, then the next range session the gun was all over the place, re zeroed all was fine. A week later same thing, no accuracy, huge group size. I was totally depressed.
A sign of insanity is repeating something over and over and no change. I removed the scope, check the base and rings, nothing there. Put on a Bausch & Lomb 1.5 x 6 Balvar scope, 30 years old.
Bore sighted it in at 50 yds, Six shots to zero 1" high with Federal Trophy Coppers, after a 30 minute cool down, put two Rem Accutips thru it, 1/2 in group, 1 inch high at 50.
The scope removed was a Bushnell Ultra HD Legend 1.75 x 5. These are covered by a one year money back guaranty no reasons, I wounder why? Chinese junk. Maybe next spring it might have a Leupold on it, or I'll just leave it be.
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Post by artjr338wm on Sept 18, 2014 17:45:41 GMT -5
30cal, not trying to sound like a Mr. Knowit all, but slug guns are notorious for eating budget scopes. As a matter of fact, only ML's tend to be worse at eating scopes than slug guns.
My first scope to sit atop my 870 was a budget Bushnell. My slug gun promptly digested it, and the Tasco that fallowed it. I then spent the money on a Leupold VariX-II shotgun scope and that scope has injested 100's of slugs and has never failed me or gave me a ounce of trouble.
When it comes to scopes and harsh recoil, buy once cry once is my philosophy, learned the hard way admittedly, but lesson learned.
Post by artjr338wm on Sept 18, 2014 17:56:26 GMT -5
Also, FWIW, I hate sabot slugs. I own a Marlin 512, Browning A-Bolt, and a discontinued NEF 920 slug gun. Have spent ungodly sums of cash trying to find that mythical Holy Grail of sabot slug loading that will consistently shoot under 2" at 100yrds, but never have. Lots of isolated incidents of a particular lot# of slugs shooting exceptionally well, but nevet different lot# to different lot#.
20 gaugemight be a different animal, but 12ga sabots give me migraines.
I also have spent a small fortune in slugs ( and gas money to get to the range ) since about 1974 trying to come up with a winning gun / slug combo . A custom barrel on an old Savage 210 with the discontinued ( of course ! )12 Gauge 2 3/4" Federal Tipped Barnes Copper Slug and my SECOND Savage 220 are good shooters . Dirty barrel , clean barrel . Cold barrel , warm barrel . Different lot numbers . And then there is the recoil to deal with . All of this at only $ 3.00 plus a shot ! And every other year there is a new " wonder " slug that will be the answer to all your slug shooting problems . JMO
Post by 30calrifle on Sept 21, 2014 6:37:25 GMT -5
How true about cheap scopes, some guns are fickle some it doesn't matter. That old balvar scope even today commands a $200 to $300 price tag. These guns are not range plinkers. I try using a 2 shot group to save expenses. I don't want to show you the bag of fired hulls I have under my bench. Could have bought a Zeiss with them!
Post by deermangler on Sept 22, 2014 0:56:07 GMT -5
I had a ultra slug hunter in 12, it was a good 50-60 yard deer killer. Thing was heavy I thought. I sold that and got a savage 220 and put on a leupold 2-7 and never looked back. 11/2-2 inch groups at 100. Super sweet gun IMO. This year I picked up a beretta extrema 2 with a slug barrel a leupold 3-9. I haven't shot that one yet but hope to this week. As far as ammo Lightfield slugs have always treated me well. Might not always be the tightes groups but they are consistent. Never a wild flyer 5 inches off to the side. Hornaday sst suck ass. I shot buck one year and it left no blood at all. Guy found it a month later with a hole on one side in the lung area. Scored 196. Guy kept the rack.
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Post by 30calrifle on Sept 25, 2014 8:53:59 GMT -5
I've had great luck with the Remington Accutips, then the Federal Copper Solids. The Hornady SST's are terrible, a sh***y excuse for a sabot, really poor accuracy. The Lightfields are accurate enough, but my gun (as well as some other USG owners have had primers pierced. The gun in mechanically spot on, firing pin protrusion is with in specs, I talked to the people at Lightfield, they outsource their hulls and primers, so they receive it complete ready for loading. Remington and Federal have thick primer cups, the Lightfield probably doesn't. Also noted is the firing pin on the H & R comes in at a slight angle, this might contribute to tearing/piercing the primers.
I really liked the Federal Trophy Coppers in my UVH that I had a 20 USH barrel fitted to. I had a Bushnell DOA 250 on it. It also liked the older Winchester Supreme 3". Biggest issue was letting the barrel cool between shots. The Federal perform like a Barnes bullet which is a good thing IMHO. Longest shot has been 78 yards but it worked well. I moved out to Kansas so I didn't need the barrel so I sold it to my brother. He fitted it to his plain SB1 frame and it still shoots fine even with a different scope.
I had the 20 Ultra, purchased in the spring of the year to get all ready and sighted in. That early summer the county/state where I intended to hunt with the slug gun passed the law that you could hunt with centerfire, of which I had several. I shot SST, Lightfield, Federal, KO, Winchester(two kinds). SST were all over the place, Feds were 2" with a 5" flyer about every 5th shot, Lightfield were 2 1/2", Win Partition Golds where 1.75-2" and the Win Platitums were solid 1.5". All shot at 100 yards range in lead sled. I spent more in ammo that the gun. As a side not I have a old Benelli M1 Super 90 with smooth bore that will shoot 2.5"-3" groups at 100 yards with plain old Winchester Rifle Slugs using open sights.