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Post by Alabama on Sept 7, 2014 10:44:41 GMT -5
Randy, but as a good politician does, you avoid the main question. It's all good, we know you are compensated for your favorable reviews. Carry on. Make the all mighty dollar. I fault you none. Write your reviews , I read them and I'm sure a lot of others do as well. But don't come here, thinking we are idiots and believe everything you spew. Pawn your goods.
Best wishes
Randy
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 10:54:34 GMT -5
seems simple enough to call remington and ask about BH209 in the rem ultimate.
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Post by Alabama on Sept 7, 2014 11:20:50 GMT -5
Nothing is simple. Unless you're a non swimming democrat. Remington should provide the appropriate powders and loads.
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Post by randywakeman on Sept 7, 2014 11:47:20 GMT -5
It's all good, we know you are compensated for your favorable reviews. That is an absolute lie. |
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Post by Alabama on Sept 7, 2014 12:22:25 GMT -5
Ok it's a lie, if that makes you feel better. But your pen don't write for free.
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Post by encore50a on Sept 7, 2014 14:49:14 GMT -5
seems simple enough to call remington and ask about BH209 in the rem ultimate. I know a dealer that just sold two on Friday, with two remaining. He opened the manual and NO PLACE in the manual does it specify shooting BH209. |
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Post by randywakeman on Sept 8, 2014 3:52:49 GMT -5
My name is Randy Ray. I'm not trying to get in a pissing match with you. You might want to try a bit harder  . |
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Post by randywakeman on Sept 8, 2014 3:55:40 GMT -5
seems simple enough to call remington and ask about BH209 in the rem ultimate. I know a dealer that just sold two on Friday, with two remaining. He opened the manual and NO PLACE in the manual does it specify shooting BH209. Well, Encore50a, all you have to do is read your Encore manual and you will discover that it does not specify using Triple Se7en granular or T7 pellets in the Encore. Do you think you can?  |
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Post by encore50a on Sept 8, 2014 7:28:12 GMT -5
Well its started. There are a couple new owners of the Remington Ultimate that feel they were deceived. They "thought" they were buying an actual Ultimate Firearms rifle.
One buyer, after reading all the hype, is asking how do you get pellets in that brass case !!! Another was asking how much powder was loaded in the case !!!
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Post by Alabama on Sept 8, 2014 10:33:51 GMT -5
Well its started. There are a couple new owners of the Remington Ultimate that feel they were deceived. They "thought" they were buying an actual Ultimate Firearms rifle.
One buyer, after reading all the hype, is asking how do you get pellets in that brass case !!! Another was asking how much powder was loaded in the case !!!
OMG Well there are idiots and the unknowing born everyday. Education goes back to the retailer. I was untrained on my first ML. Surprised I didn't blow myself up. People who venture into ml and especially the SML world need a place like Doug's or a friend who has experience. |
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Post by 10ga on Sept 8, 2014 11:56:47 GMT -5
[/quote] Well, Encore50a, all you have to do is read your Encore manual and you will discover that it does not specify using Triple Se7en granular or T7 pellets in the Encore. Do you think you can? [/quote] Geez guys, I do believe the barrel is marked with the approved powder types, that would be straight from the manufacturer! |
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Post by bteague on Sept 9, 2014 18:22:28 GMT -5
Wow this has gone WAY off track!
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Post by k80busa on Jan 31, 2015 9:00:52 GMT -5
Can the Remington 700 ultimate shoot smokeless gunpowder?? NOT APPROVED BY THE MANUFACTURER! |
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Post by bestill on Jan 31, 2015 9:12:53 GMT -5
be careful posting things that are completely against manufactures recommendations. you may be fine risking yourself but some may not be educated in this area. sometimes some things better off unsaid. thanks
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Post by hunter on Jan 31, 2015 13:17:29 GMT -5
SNIP!
I would not follow this recommendation. Do not shoot this load.
A person can build a smokeless gun for a few dollars more and be safe.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 16:09:33 GMT -5
Can the Remington 700 ultimate shoot smokeless gunpowder?? SNIP It's a very bad and dangerous idea to shoot smokeless powder out a muzzleloader barrel when the manufacturer says specifically that you cannot shoot smokeless powder out of that barrel. |
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Post by 10ga on Jan 31, 2015 19:09:40 GMT -5
SNIP.
Do not shoot smokeless powder in a barrel intended for "black powder substitutes" or a breechplug not designed for smokeless powder. 10
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Post by sgellis on Feb 1, 2015 8:51:22 GMT -5
The barrel and breech plug steel is as strong and hard as it gets for a stainless steel, so I do not believe it is the strength of those components that would be in question. I believe the weak link is in the Johnston ignition system itself. The Johnston plug is clearly built stout enough to run a big load of 777, and the Remington version of the plug appears stout enough to run big loads of BH209, but neither are stout enough according to Remington to seal and hold up to the greater pressures of smokeless. Think someone would need to invent some form of drop-in breech plug with a stronger and more positive seal to safely hold up to smokeless in the Remington.
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Post by encore50a on Feb 1, 2015 9:24:33 GMT -5
As far as the Ultimate Firearms Inc. rifle, they are NOT designed to shoot smokeless and Ken Johnston will adamantly tell you to NOT SHOOT SMOKELESS FROM HIS RIFLES.
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Post by edge on Feb 5, 2015 5:51:44 GMT -5
YOU MAY NOTE THAT I EDITED SOME POSTS HERE TO REMOVE A REFERENCE TO USING SMOKELESS IN THIS RIFLE.
edge.
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Post by k80busa on Feb 5, 2015 16:34:47 GMT -5
wow!!!!!!!!
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Post by edge on Feb 5, 2015 17:46:58 GMT -5
You are new so I will be gentle. If the rifle manufacturer does not allow smokeless then you may not list smokeless loads simply because you think they are safe! They may or they may not be safe, but especially if the manufacturer states no smokeless then that means no smokeless on this board. Should you choose to disregard what the manufacturer says that is entirely up to you. If you want to discuss things in private in PM's or emails you are free to do that. edge. |
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Post by k80busa on Feb 5, 2015 18:37:50 GMT -5
ok ill be gentle too. Everyone can just read their manuals to get all of the info they need!!
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Post by edge on Feb 5, 2015 22:48:26 GMT -5
ok ill be gentle too. Everyone can just read their manuals to get all of the info they need!! OK pal, don't ever give loads again for smokeless in a rifle that is not designed for it! GOT IT! edge. |
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Post by encore50a on Nov 14, 2015 9:57:06 GMT -5
Ok here's the real deal. There are several muzzleloaders capable of shooting smokeless powder and thousands are doing it every year. The problem is what you see here on this board is people scared to death to being held liable for some idiot that puts a double charge or the wrong type of powder and gets themselves or someone killed. I'm sure remington went to their lawyers and said hey can we market this rifle as smokeless and their lawyers said HELL NO too many idiots that can't read a load chart. See this gun can probably handle any amount of pellets and substitutes like that and just blow out the unburned powder out the end of the barrel and still keep someone from being killed. As a matter of fact I know it was tested to those levels, but not the case for smokeless which can turn a muzzleloader into a pipe bomb. So don't look for anyone to condon it here because people are lawyer scared and some are just too stupid. However the number of people doing it is going up every year. Not for a minute, do I believe Remington wanted to market the RU as smokeless and/or asked their attorneys about it. |
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Post by madisonnc on Nov 17, 2015 8:50:19 GMT -5
Well there was actually two reasons Remington did not rate it for smokeless one was lawyers and the other was the fact they were afraid wildlife depts throughout the U.S. would bar them from use during muzzleloading season. I know this because a buddy of mine is a big wig at Remington here in NC.
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