3rd run with triumph

[davewolf]

I just couldn't stand it, and thought it had cooled down some. So I quickly measured out 110 grains of BH209, through my stuff in the Explorer and headed for the range.

Here are my results. Temp-94-degrees. No swabbing between shots.



First shot using 100 grains was high and to the right, but didn't adjust as recommended. I was shooting SBH's, CCI M's, Shockwave 250's.

The next shot was higher, above the bull but online. The third shot was part of the tight group above. but one in from the outer right edge of the four shot group.

Switched to 110 grain. First shot far right--I did realize that if I'm going to "pull" a shot it will be to the right. The second shot was part of the 4 shot group, two in from the left of the group. The third on the extreme right of the group.

Now I ran out of SBH's and 100-grain loads. Switched back to 100-grains and HPH24's. 2 shot group after scope adjustment.
Another scope adjustment marked wrong way stupid!

Ran out of powder and came home.
Your thoughts....because I think this rifle may shot great groups with HPH24's, Shockwave 250's and 100-grains loads. Yes, the barrel was hot....but I tried shade and walking out to the 100-yards targets before reloading.
As always your thoughts and comments are very welcomed.

PS. One nice gentleman at the range, said he never saw sabots load so hard and he's been around inlines. That was especially true when I was shoving the SBH's.
Have a great day!
Dave
PSS. Rememeber I have a habit of putting up my targets sideways!

[yankee]

just a thought, try a different slug, also did you start out rght at 110gr?? all guns are a bit different, even same make and models are a bt different.. maybe start at 80gr and if 80 groups well add another 5 grains, if that works add another 5 grains and so on, keep climbng 5grains till groups fall apart, then back off 5 grains, and reestablish the group, ALSO have you been able to recover any sabots fired from this gun?? could be for some reason the hot gasses are burning through the sabot? maybe change primers?? what prmers are you using?? some primers are hotter than others, not all 209 primers are created equal, im just throwing out optons here could be 1 or a combination of things, i tried 6 different slugs and loads before i settled on MMP .452 sabots and hornady xtpmag 300 grain slugs wiith win 209 primers

[davewolf]

I was using CCI M's. I started with 100-grains, first two runs and first three shots today and bumped it up to 110 than back to 100.
Found one SBH Sabot today, and it was marled around the base, and hard. It didn't melt though and the peddels opened nicely.

I think that if I would have more time and powder with me, I would have had it an inch high at 100, using 100-grains. Still needs some tweaking but I'm encouraged.

I might try some lighter loads as you've suggested. Thanks, any and all suggestions, opinions and comments are welcomed.
Have a great day!
Dave

[younghunter86]

Dave-

I really think the temp is hurting you. But that said, you did have two shots with the HPH24's that were the beginnings of a nice group. Maybe stick with the supplied sabots that are coming with you shockwaves, just check to make sure they are the HPH24's. If that is what you think is shooting the best, go for it. Glad you found a little improvement. It can be very frustrating at times. I was in the same boat last year with my 10ml for a little while.

[yankee]

is that cci's muzzleloading prmer??

[davewolf]

YH86,
As close as I can tell they're HPH24's-mold stamped on the bottom. No I'm not discouraged, had no fliers, and am working my way toward where I want to be, on and 1'inch high at 100.

Yankee,
CCI's and CCI M, *Magnum) shotgun primers are recommended by T/C. They're a couple bucks cheaper per 100 and have not failed me...meaning they go bang when I pull the trigger! But as I said, I'm all ears, and more than willing to give different stuff a try.
Now did I hear someone suggest short black sabots?
Have a great day!
Dave

[Chris Champion]

dave,

In the hotter weather it might be beneficial to lower your charge down to 100g or even 90g. Less powder will result in less barrel heat. In the limited shooting I've done with BH209 in a TC Omega 100, 110, & 120g loads shot similar. The only difference was recoil and muzzle blast. 250g Shockwave, SBH sabot, and 100g BH209 was the most consistent load.

As far as tight fitting sabots go my limited experience with BH209 and everything that I've read leads me to believe that this powder needs a snug to tight fitting sabot for best ignition. Regarding the other gentlemens comment about never seeing such a tight loading sabot, its true that the recent trend is sabots has been the new easy load variety. These came out because TC barrels tend to be tight and because Tripple 7 leaves that nasty crud ring just above the breech plug that is hard to push a sabot through. That crud ring is non existant with BH209.

I agree that the heat is hurting you. And if it was me I wouldn't bother with swabbing between shots.

[windy]

Dave I shoot 120 gr BH209 with my triumph using .458 Bullets with the Black Crushed Rib
Ive use The Hornady .458 Remington .45/70 with Sub Moa at 100 yds with the right conditions I use the Federal 209A Primer Whats your location I live in Easton Pa
I'm willing to send you some bullets and sabots to try

[12ptdroptine]

Dave..Can you use a cooling rod in the Triumph, Like they do in the Savage smokeless? That would help with the heat dissipation issue's. Deop

[davewolf]

Thanks Windy,
Check your PM. As I said before this board is awesome!

droptine, I don't know, honestly never heard of a cooling rod. Of course today's high was in the low 70's and no humidity! And of course I'm back at work.

Chrischampion,
I actually thought I was going to break the T/C short ball starter, the fit was that snug. But there is no crud ring, because I've shot nothing but BH209 in this rifle.

But I think loads of 90 and 100 will be along on my next outing and although the HPH24's seemed to preform at least on par with the SBH's, I'm going to try to locate some more of them, I think another member here, deserves that much. And this was the first time, I didn't swab between shots.

Anyone think the short black sabot would help? It's going to be a little while to I get back out, but I'm anxious to see what happens the next time.
And as I said before, I keep referencing this board and really appreciate all the input and hope there is more.
Have a great day!
Dave

[davewolf]

Any more ideas, opinions or thoughts? Hope to be measuring BH 209 tonight. And if ever thing goes right, I'll be back at the range Monday. I'm going to shoot shockwaves 250, with 90 and 100 gr loads--might even toss in a couple of PowerBelts in 270 grain, Platinum. Temps have seen highs of only 70, so I'm hoping heat won't be a problem this time around.
Since we see so few of these around here any more thought I would show you what I saw coming back from the range. Pulled over and followed the ole boy for a couple 100-yards, but didn't have my longer telephotos with me. Still it was neat to see!



Have a great day!
Dave

[davewolf]

I'm leaving for a few days on mni vacation--fishing and photo, but want to thank Windy for the package that just arrived ! I promise to give everything a try and report the findings here.
Thanks so much!
Have a great day!
Dave