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Post by heavybarrel on Nov 4, 2013 19:34:24 GMT -5
What are yall using? I have been shooting a max charge of 120gr and getting marginal results. Backed down to 110 today and shot a decent group, going to do some confirmation tomorrow.
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Post by heavybarrel on Nov 4, 2013 19:37:13 GMT -5
Forgot to add, 250 Shockwave with Mag Express Sabot, and CCI 209M primers.
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Post by deadeer on Nov 4, 2013 21:02:43 GMT -5
I had better luck with 300 or 325 grain bullets. Have read that BH209 does better with heavy bullets. I worked up to 140gr volume and most all loads would be deer killers to 200yds.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2013 21:46:03 GMT -5
I shot a duplex out of my .45's, 10/110, 777(3f)/BH 209. .030 veggie wad and knurled 250 ftx, fed primer.
Exceptional groups and a 307 yard kill. Loads were by volume. I also get great groups withe the same exact load behind 195 Barnes/tan sabot.
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Post by heavybarrel on Nov 5, 2013 8:49:10 GMT -5
Never tried the 300's, was trying to stay around the recommended load to match my Leupold ML Scope trajectory marks.
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Post by deadeer on Nov 5, 2013 9:45:36 GMT -5
Never tried the 300's, was trying to stay around the recommended load to match my Leupold ML Scope trajectory marks. heavybarrel IF they don't match up, you can try sighting 1, 2, or 3" high with the x-hair at 100yd. That will change your poi at the other marks on your scope. Plus, the marks are a rough estimate on yardage. If you shoot enough, you may find that instead of 100, 150, 200, 250 yard increments, perfect yardages, your load may be on at 100, 165, 215, etc etc. Just have to shoot enough to find out. Good luck. Jay |
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Post by heavybarrel on Nov 5, 2013 19:21:37 GMT -5
Your absolutely right about the drop and corresponding marks. I need to shoot at distance but I have no where that I can. I have 100 yards at the house but that is all I can get.
Shot 85.5grs of Blackhorn 209, 250 Shockwave and supplied sabot, and CCI209m primer, and shot better than an inch group. 85.5 weight is near 120gr volume.
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Post by muznut on Nov 13, 2013 20:18:29 GMT -5
I shoot a 250gr or 300gr xtp in a harvester smooth short black sabot in my CVA Acura v1, Apex 50cal and my H&R side kick. 110 to 120grs of BH209 shoots really well with the 250gr xtp's in all my 50cal rifles.
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Post by ronnie on Nov 17, 2013 15:46:47 GMT -5
I have had good luck with 250 grain hornadays and red crusher rib smokeless sabots with 100 grains of blackhorn by volume.
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Post by sparkman on Nov 17, 2013 20:12:14 GMT -5
130gr(volume) BH, 290 gr Barnes ,
Yellow Harvester Crush Rib (for boatail), CCI magnum primer
Shot a nice fat 6pt yestetday am @234yds (lasered)...DRT...
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Post by heavybarrel on Nov 18, 2013 14:04:41 GMT -5
I tried 120gr and a 300gr Barnes Original, was getting alot of blowback. Thought that was kind of strange, and figured that i was getting a little over pressure.
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Post by artjr338wm on Dec 5, 2013 20:56:22 GMT -5
I have enjoyed the not only the best accuracy I have ever had out of my Encore 209x50 using BH209, but even more important, I have achieved consistent accuracy as well. And I am no "green horn" when it comes to shooting my Encore having fired over 1500 loads out of it using Pyrodx pellets, and at least 700 using 3F-777. As a matter of fact the vary first three shots I fired out of my Encore using the below listed load were also the first ever using BH209 I shot and I was rewarded with the best 100yrd 3-shot group I ever fired out of my Encore.
My best performing load so far using BH209 is:
84 grains BY WEIGHT of BH209 which is the equivalent of 120 grains by volume.
Harvester Smooth Black Sabot for use with bullets of .451-452" diameter.
300 grain Hornady .451" XTP
Winchester 209 or CCI 209m primer.
This is a legitimate 200 yard load, possibly longer, but I have never shot it for accuracy beyond 200yrds.
I will add one warning about using BH209, if burnt powder is left in the barrel for any extended period of time, it will at some point cause rust to develop. How long is to long? I personally don't know, but I simply swab out my bore with Brake Free CLP after each days use. If I'm going hunting in the morning, I simply remove the Brake free with action cleaner and load as normal.
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Post by js on Dec 12, 2013 9:56:03 GMT -5
In our Encore we load 100grs by volume BH209, CCI 209M primer, .458" Hornady 300gr HP, black crush rib sabot.
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Post by scalian on Dec 15, 2013 20:53:20 GMT -5
I started around 90g by volume and shot groups going up 5g per group. Found mine gun liked 120g. I think the only way is to go out and shoot and test different charges of powder.
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Post by Boonechaser on Dec 29, 2013 15:30:23 GMT -5
I have shot many encore .50 cal barrels and just about all shot best with 110 grains by volume BH209, short black harvester sabot and a 250g shockwave or PT gold and a fed209A primer. 3" groups at 200yds and antifreeze jug at 300yds. Never shot a target at 300
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Post by bowhunter020 on Dec 30, 2013 11:04:30 GMT -5
I use 105 grain with 250 grain barnes spit-fire tmz. cut holes at 100 and moa to 200 yards. about 12" drop from 100 yard zero.
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Post by encore50a on Dec 30, 2013 22:19:36 GMT -5
My very first post after looking through the inline forum and becoming a member. Looking forward to all the information and shooting stories.
I also shoot a 209x50 Pro Hunter, which I've went through a number of breech plugs with and thousands of rounds. I load BH209 by weight also at 75grs which equals 107.1grs V. I only shoot Barnes bullets, specifically the 250gr TMZ. On my good days it will shoot 1/2" groups (center to center) at 100yds, 3/4" groups at 150yds and 1.75 to 2" groups at 200yds. I only use CCI209M primers. For glass, I shoot a Nikon Monarch 2.5-10x50. I shoot from a Caldwell FCX rest.
I have modified my frame and changed the trigger spring to 2#, with a filed and polished sear. I have no creep in the trigger. I use the HD locking bolt spring, HD firing pin spring, changed to the 51# hammer spring and tightened up the action with a 2x hinge pin. I also installed a trigger over travel screw. I'm very happy with this rifle. it took two deer last year, one at 191yds and the other at 203yds. |
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Post by xpert07 on Jan 22, 2014 12:50:56 GMT -5
Never tried the 300's, was trying to stay around the recommended load to match my Leupold ML Scope trajectory marks. heavybarrel HeavyB, If you dont want to feel tied down to those Leupold marks and you have the range room go out and set your first mark on your hunting load and start moving the target back 25yrds at a time until you zero your second mark and so on and so on. Finally print the info on a card, laminate it and attach/tape it to your weapon for reference in the field. |
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Post by xpert07 on Jan 22, 2014 12:54:02 GMT -5
I use 105 grain with 250 grain barnes spit-fire tmz. cut holes at 100 and moa to 200 yards. about 12" drop from 100 yard zero. Switching to the Barnes spit-fire BTHP around the same grain will cut that drop nearly in half Bowhunter,,,,, Still a devastating bullet |
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Post by xpert07 on Jan 22, 2014 13:07:37 GMT -5
Personally with black powder there is so much unburnt powder that fine detail in charges is splitting hairs....IMO, Now with the smokeless weapons its a different ball game. I get very good groups with 90 as I do with 120, and the pounding of 150 is a pure waste of powder and healthy shoulder tissue. My hurdles at the range or in the field are more with weather related beasts than anything else. Also, if I were to suggest anything it would be sticking to a FF powder over FFF and a consistent bore. the guys at www.eabco.com/ are excellent in the field of blackpowder ML'ing.... They burn a ton of powder!! |
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Post by kbrezlin on Feb 8, 2014 15:56:35 GMT -5
80 grains by weight, cci 209m, short mmp black sabot, 300 grain Parker ballistic extreme gave me and my buddy both 1inch groups at 100 yards out of our encores.
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Post by gregk on Feb 8, 2014 18:12:37 GMT -5
Typically a Barnes T-EZ 250 or a Harvester PT Gold 260, either one in a Harvester Crush Rib sabot with 100-110gr (by volume) BH209 will make excellent 200 yard loads. I would also suggest trying the 250 or 275 Bloodlines in you can afford it.
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Post by dwinsor on Feb 18, 2014 23:20:36 GMT -5
I shoot 250 grain SW with TC Yellow Sabot and 100 grains of BH 209 gets me 1 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards. I have some 240 and 265 grain Flat point bullets with numerous Sabots to test MMP and Harvester sabots In .44 and .45 Caliber. I will probably use 95 to 100 grain in all of my testing. I found around 120 grains of BH 209 kicks harder than a 150 grain of Pyrodex Select. Most of the time when you get to max loads accuracy lagges.
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Post by rileydog on Feb 19, 2014 3:23:28 GMT -5
My omega has a heavily lapped barrel and qla cut off and recrowed . In loves 250 Barnes tmz and supplied yellow sabot. 110 gr. volume bh209 and cci 209m primer . My two knights where very finicky . Finally got a load to shoot accurate . 120 gr. bh209 harvester red crush rib sabot and 300 pt gold bullet . All flash holes were increased to .035 .knight has a Lehigh breach plug.
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