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Post by slugger on Jan 23, 2013 18:03:33 GMT -5
OK Here's the thing;
I have a load that is as accurate as a person could ask for. At 200 yards off a lead sled it will make a raged hole. Way better then I can shoot off sticks BUT...
I'm finding it is not always killing a coyote. Some of the recent Misses I've had were not missed, just not kills. Several I know I have hit,by the way the dog acts. I lets out a yip and spins or yips jumps and hits mock 3 on the way out of sight. I have walked out to some where I know I hit them and will see a tiny amount of blood on the snow,a hit. Recently we ran the said bullet combo over the MagnetoSpeed to discover it is only going 3200 fps at the barrel. We kind of thought it should be closer to 35/36. I'm using a match king 52 gr bullet and Varget. On the dogs it kills there very dead, do you think the bullet is just slipping through the lungs and out the other side and not opining up at all?
We are thinking about speeding it up with a different powder , I'm hoping that that is the answer.,..
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Post by jgar on Jan 23, 2013 19:47:57 GMT -5
Match bullets, in my opinion are the problem. Run them fast enough and for varmint hunting they are fine, slow them down and they pencil through.
Unless you are head or spine shooting them the match bullets will not open up with any consistency. The longer range you shoot the more penciling they will do and this is due to velocity loss at longer ranges.
They shoot good groups but sometimes you get good expansion and a dead coyote and sometimes if you hit no bones you get a pencil through and a runner.
I would change the bullet before the powder.
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Post by Savage Shooter on Jan 23, 2013 19:53:50 GMT -5
OK Here's the thing;
I have a load that is as accurate as a person could ask for. At 200 yards off a lead sled it will make a raged hole. Way better then I can shoot off sticks BUT...
I'm finding it is not always killing a coyote. Some of the recent Misses I've had were not missed, just not kills. Several I know I have hit,by the way the dog acts. I lets out a yip and spins or yips jumps and hits mock 3 on the way out of sight. I have walked out to some where I know I hit them and will see a tiny amount of blood on the snow,a hit. Recently we ran the said bullet combo over the MagnetoSpeed to discover it is only going 3200 fps at the barrel. We kind of thought it should be closer to 35/36. I'm using a match king 52 gr bullet and Varget. On the dogs it kills there very dead, do you think the bullet is just slipping through the lungs and out the other side and not opining up at all?
We are thinking about speeding it up with a different powder , I'm hoping that that is the answer.,..
You shouldn't need a different powder to speed it up......but I wouldn't use the SMK for this. What weight charge are you shooting?? ..................I saw 3700+ with 36 gr Varget and 52 to 53 grain bullet class in 26" barrel. My load of preference with the 52 to 53 gr class bullets was IMR 4064 @ 36.9 grains (will be compressed). In a 26" barrel it should bump 3,800fps. This was with the 52 grain Hornady A Max. I found the A max not to be a very good yote bullet either for me and went to the 50 gr V Max. Not hide friendly tho. I have found that for coyote hunting exclusive use, I prefer the Barnes 55gr TTSX,,,,,,know they are to expensive for high volume shooting but for dedicated yote hunting are awesome. Does not matter how close or fast you shoot them......barrel has to be twisted 1 in 9 or faster. Has good BC if your barrel is twisted fast enough. Is hide friendly. Barnes makes the 50gr TTSX as well for 1 in 12 twist guns. I shot them, as well as the V max with H380 at 42 grains and got over 3,900fps from them.......pure bad medicine for dedicated yote hunter. May or may not be hide friendly, depends on impact speed and where you hit em. But much friendlier than the V Max or Blitz King. The 55gr Blitz King is awesome/devastating but not hide friendly either, however can be shot as fast as you wish. Just touch him somewhere with this bullet and he got problems!! For the 55gr class off bullets I had awesome accuracy from H414 @ 40grs. Should hit close 3,700fps.......... Might consider a bullet change as well as possibly powder.......if you can tell me what bullet you prefer I can probably help with upper end speed loads if you need. |
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Post by AJ on Jan 23, 2013 20:02:10 GMT -5
The 3200 fps kills them quick when shot out of a .223 so I don't see why it would be different from a 22/250. Ya might try the Berger 52 gr bullet. It kills just fine. It frags praire dogs and ground squirrels so I guess it will just tear up the innerds of yodel dog.
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Post by deadeye on Jan 23, 2013 22:47:38 GMT -5
the caliber is fine trust me, bullet change as mentioned prior.
can't go wrong with any nosler bt 50-55gns & vmax also.
my most accurate 22-250 load which i recently won a local 200yd match
38.0 imr 4007ssc w/ 50gn nosler bt @ 3717fps. (my favorite)
some other good accurate loads
37.0 h380 w/55gn nosler bt @ 3450fps-dropped many yotes including a 648yd.
38.0 h380 w/50gn nosler bt @ 3504fps
never had a yote escape with these bullets out of 22-250,243,220 swift
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Post by mrbuck on Jan 24, 2013 12:02:00 GMT -5
Had the same problem years ago with a .22-250 shooting 52gr. H.P.B.T.'s with 38.0grs. of H380. Chucks shot at 250yds. and over made it down the holes. Got a Sako .222 Mag. H.B. with a Leupold 12 power and shot 50gr. ''Blitz'' bullets at 3200f.p.s. and killed chucks dead out of the same holes.
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Post by Savage Shooter on Jan 24, 2013 13:33:36 GMT -5
the caliber is fine trust me, bullet change as mentioned prior. can't go wrong with any nosler bt 50-55gns & vmax also. my most accurate 22-250 load which i recently won a local 200yd match 38.0 imr 4007ssc w/ 50gn nosler bt @ 3717fps. (my favorite) some other good accurate loads 37.0 h380 w/55gn nosler bt @ 3450fps-dropped many yotes including a 648yd. 38.0 h380 w/50gn nosler bt @ 3504fps never had a yote escape with these bullets out of 22-250,243,220 swift Been wondering bout the 4007ssc....................have you shot any of the Hybrid 100V? |
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Post by slugger on Jan 24, 2013 15:26:18 GMT -5
Thats just what I'm thinking too.I want to stay with a 52 gr ish bullet, Wind issue. But more speed is needed. The MK just shoot SO GOOD. But a blitz should be very similar or a burger would probably work well too. I have a 60 gr partition load I'm planing on using for antelope and wolf. I don't care for the V max or grenades, don't have much experience with it bigger ones but the 37 and 40 just blow up on the our side of the coyote in it's heavy winter hair.If the MK hit a bone the dog goes down,and yes we save the hide so we have to balance that in too. Thanks you all told me what I already kind of knew.
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Post by deadeye on Jan 24, 2013 16:58:35 GMT -5
the caliber is fine trust me, bullet change as mentioned prior. can't go wrong with any nosler bt 50-55gns & vmax also. my most accurate 22-250 load which i recently won a local 200yd match 38.0 imr 4007ssc w/ 50gn nosler bt @ 3717fps. (my favorite) some other good accurate loads 37.0 h380 w/55gn nosler bt @ 3450fps-dropped many yotes including a 648yd. 38.0 h380 w/50gn nosler bt @ 3504fps never had a yote escape with these bullets out of 22-250,243,220 swift Been wondering bout the 4007ssc....................have you shot any of the Hybrid 100V? mark-i did shoot a few in which i believe .243 w hybrid/100v, i know just a few but not enough testing to make a call on that powder in that bullet weight for what i was looking for at that time. regarding 4007ssc- this powder was developed for the 22-250,220 swift ,.243. i find near perfect case volume of powder(%100) & think this powder will carry its weight w/.243 & maybe the .220 swift in that regard,time & testing will tell when time permitting in the future. i also have in my sights for 4007ssc .308/165/168 class bullets very efficiently per quickload estimates |
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Post by tar12 on Jan 25, 2013 20:04:52 GMT -5
Huntmeister and I are getting ready to roll up some .243 loads using the Hybrid/100 and 80 grn GMX for depredation work this summer. I would also like to try the 58 grn Vmax as well on yotes....
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Post by bluegunner on Mar 4, 2013 14:17:54 GMT -5
I would agree that the "Match King Bullet" is your problem. I load a Barnes TTSX and push it with 35gr of Varget (3800 F/S) and it lays out hogs up to 400#. The Match King is designed for range shooting and accuracy, going with the "Blitz King" should solve your problem. If you need penetration try "Nosler Accubond" or "Barnes TTSX".
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