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Post by walt cowan on Mar 11, 2009 20:16:09 GMT -5
a long time ago i ask if you could use cast bullets in a ml-10? i was looking to use standard factory loads and sabots with a cast bullet of about 300 grains. plan was for cheap shooting. got mix reviews but wanted to know if anyone here had any luck lately?
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Post by screwbolts on Mar 11, 2009 21:53:20 GMT -5
yes with the 330 grain Lbt design like the ones from Harvester, they come with the long black harvestor sabot. I happen to have the same mold so I cast my own. I posted a link to them in the brown Bear bullet thread. I also use the standard short sabot.
I hope to be posting some groups tomorow that we shot today in a 4 to 5 minute cross wind, @ 200 yards 3 different shooters 2 different guns, my bullets and they alldid 4 to 5" groups. considering the wind and we weren't using a real bench, and my rifle still has a 6 pound trigger we all were very happy.
from the Waupaunaucau Creek Farm
Ken
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Post by 161 on Mar 12, 2009 7:07:48 GMT -5
I'm interested to see your results. I'm thinking about getting the bullet casting stuff back out.
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Post by 50chevy on Mar 12, 2009 20:04:29 GMT -5
Anyone got any info about the possibility of shaving down a 220 grain .410 dia bullet to use in an mmp sabot in my savage 10 ml with mmp sabot for .399-.400 dia . would this cast bullet be a good deer possibility?
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Post by screwbolts on Mar 13, 2009 7:15:49 GMT -5
Anyone got any info about the possibility of shaving down a 220 grain .410 dia bullet to use in an mmp sabot in my savage 10 ml with mmp sabot for .399-.400 dia . would this cast bullet be a good deer possibility? Yes I have info on cast Boolitzs ;D ;D ;D Is this boolit smooth sided or does it have lube groves? If it has lube groves, are they conventional or TL? Do you have casting equipment or are you buying this Boolit? Ken |
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Post by screwbolts on Mar 13, 2009 7:48:01 GMT -5
Quote from Whyole: thoes casts look really nice! how hot do you keep the mould? all the casting ive seen has cooling lines in them from what seems to me be from the lead coolong on contact with the mould. i want to start casing for my BP pistol. Thank you, I keep my mold hot, for this Boolit, hot enough so the Boolitzs have a frosted look, this is necessary in that I am looking for a Hard non expanding Boolit. The Metplat of this Boolit will knock any critter on this continent cleanly on it's can with a striking target velocity of 1500FPS. I drop these from the mold into a container of water , the water has a large sponge floating in it that cushions the boolitz drop but cools instantly. I normally drop the first 4 to 5 casting on the folded towel next to my pot them start dropping into the water from the heated mold. wrinkled Boolitz are can be from many thing, I have been making my own Boolitzs since 1971. The boolitz below were cast from one of the greatest alloys out there, plain old Wheel weights. If you were to join the Cast Bullet Association, you would receive as part of your membership a manual from them that is one of the BEST on casting Boolitz. www.castbulletassoc.org/ without knowing what you are using to cast with any answer would be hypothetical. This is a LBT Mold and some first dropped boolitz to heat the mold:  Close up of wrinkled cold Boolitz, clean alloy, hot alloy, just a cold mold.  This is 2 days of leasurly casting while doing other projects also, Other project done while more clean alloy is heating, NEVER cast and do something else at the same time, focus on all the Very Hot Lead only!!!! possibly 7 hrs of casting over 2 days. oh Ya, over 900 perfect boolitz :-);-) ;D ;D ;D   |
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Post by younghunter86 on Mar 13, 2009 8:12:03 GMT -5
Very impressive.
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Post by edge on Mar 13, 2009 8:25:00 GMT -5
Very nice workmanship  edge. |
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Post by edge on Mar 13, 2009 8:26:58 GMT -5
Have you ever tried casting a soft point onto the hard cast bullets for a higher BC?
I have seen the molds, but never have seen results on game.
edge.
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Post by screwbolts on Mar 13, 2009 8:57:19 GMT -5
Have you ever tried casting a soft point onto the hard cast bullets for a higher BC? I have seen the molds, but never have seen results on game. edge. Edge, the large Metplat has worked so good for me and many of my hunting friends, in 30 cal, 358 cal,430cal anf in the magic 50 Ml, that i can't see the advantage of the soft point. ( just about all of the people that hunt with my Family, enjoy my Cast in there Muzzleloaders) Cast boolit shooter do beat a different drum. Elmer Keith knew what a metplat does to targeted animals and how a Metplat can cut a permanent wound channel several times it's diameter completely threw its victim. Instantly eliminating it's pulmonary pressure for nearly instant and quick death. Veral Smith has a Great book out in it'd third edition, " How to get Jacketed performance from a cast Bullet" One of the real neat thing is if you will try to have a impact velocity real close to 1500 FPS with my cast boolitz you can eat right up to the hole, just like Elmer always wrote about. ;D ;D Ken Soft lead woun't give me a higher BC without lengthening the Boolit, so If I need a Higher BC I would simply use a heavier Boolit. ;D ;D ;Dthe soft nose will just over expand and destroy alot of good eatin. This locamotive that i have shown, if you drive it at 2300FPs + it is one flat shooter for a 50 cal. but you won't have to take a pole to see if your gun actually fired. You just have to reseat your hat so yo can see again. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  |
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Post by edge on Mar 13, 2009 9:36:55 GMT -5
The advantage would be higher velocity at impact and less wind drift WITH a large flat meplat when the soft lead splats out of the way.
IMO, the BC of most hard cast bullets is close to 0.0006 x mass so without a lot of increase in mass the BC will still be pretty low.
edge.
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Post by screwbolts on Mar 13, 2009 9:59:56 GMT -5
Yes, Good point, Yup . The groups I showed had a POA blue sticker just rt of the shots, POI, yes a full 8" leftt at 200 yards. it was a 4 to 5 minute wind. ( I had to tighten my hat 1 hole in order to keep it on my head when they took me out to the target, when I got back from errands) both rifles were sighted 2.5" high at 100, they are nearly right on at 200. This was with a 2132 FPS. 10' from the muzzle. We find this 333 gr low BC boolit is only 6 to 8" low at 300. Flat enough for our hill country shooten. I only drive this bullet when hunting from stands@ 1650 FPS. I don't need the hammering. I got to experience a Head on MVA back in 86 .
Ken
Ken
Ken Yup I rewrote this 3 times :-)
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Post by mshm99 on Mar 13, 2009 10:23:22 GMT -5
How much tin did you add to the melt?
mshm
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Post by screwbolts on Mar 13, 2009 10:32:32 GMT -5
o% Non, zip, Just clean Wheel Weight lead pre-cleaned/fluxed 3 times in cast round bottom dutch oven over turkey fryer burner. every time I refill pot it gets fluxed 1 more time then cast till only 1/2" of melt in bottom of pot, refill with 7 inggets and give them 30 minutes to come to temp. I use a Bottom poor LEE that I have had since 80.
Ken
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Post by jims on Mar 13, 2009 10:47:26 GMT -5
They look good.
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Post by rangeball on Mar 13, 2009 11:31:32 GMT -5
Using the harverster load data chart for the 330 grain version that screwbolts casts, bc calculates to be .194. Not too bad, right in their with many of the bullets we can choose from.
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Post by whyohe on Mar 13, 2009 15:07:22 GMT -5
thanks screwbolts. when i was a kid me and my dad would cast for his flinter and they looked like the pic you showed with the cold mould. i will be using wheel weight lead too, easy for me to get. ill have to check the web out and get more info. thanks again.
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Post by screwbolts on Mar 13, 2009 17:27:22 GMT -5
thanks screwbolts. when i was a kid me and my dad would cast for his flinter and they looked like the pic you showed with the cold mould. i will be using wheel weight lead too, easy for me to get. ill have to check the web out and get more info. thanks again. Your welcome, another good book is Veral Smith's "Jacketed performance from Cast Bullets" it is written in a very easy to read format and is a wealth of good info. It will help you make any type of bullet your want from WWs. Do a google search of "LBT Molds" and you will find it on his website. Sometimes a Round ball mold need the corner of the mold placed into the melt to heat it enough to cast a good round ball , I have RB molds from .433 to .575 ;D ;D ;D Ken |
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