disappointed with new savage

[cumminscowboy]

I just got in my new savage ML, the first thing I wanted to do is adjust the trigger, to my surprise the trigger will not adjust below 3.5#'s. anyone else have this happen?? I thought one thing I have licked with buying this gun is having to do any special work with the trigger, no gunsmithing etc. 3.5#'s to me is unacceptable amount of pull, is there anything I can do??

between that and the stupid screw stop that holds the bolt in, you would think for over $600 they would have come up with a better way of securing the bolt to the action, if you are working on the gun without the stock on the bolt comes flying out, the butt pad might was well be steel, its harder than an old tire.

[youp50]

I recall the 'stupid screw' being necessary to make the ML 10 meet BATF rules. I cannot recall the exact language, but before the screw the ATF ruled it a regular fire arm. The bolt had regular kind of locking lugs. All states would have been required to use a FFL for transfers. With the screw it cannot be converted to a CF rifle. So now it is called an ML-II and can be shipped about the country, except for Illinois and NYC and maybe more places.

Somehow you coining the phrase 'stupid screw' and having the BATF involved fits together like peanut butter and jelly.

I sure hope you have a shooter.

[edge]

You can get a lighter spring!

IIRC Savage Shooter Supply used to have them.....anyone know for sure?

edge.

[cumminscowboy]

the screw is what it is, it the accutrigger adjustment that something must be done about, any ideas on that

[mac111]

Cumminscowboy, I have had same problem as far as the accutrigger in the savages. What i do is cut a peice of the spring off were it meets the receiver. but this is somthing you DO AT YOUR OWN RISK . cut a little at a time . Thanks mac111

[Harley]

No, do what Edge says, call SharpShooterSupply for the "light" Savage ML spring. I don't know the number, but you can find it. Don't email, they won't respond. Sometimes the springs are in stock, sometimes not. Delivered to you for about $11 or less, they can be adjusted down to about 1 pound. Takes about two minutes.

Harley

[cumminscowboy]

why doesn't savage just make the triggers properly, they are charging enough, is the muzzleloader accutrigger the same as the regular one??

[Harley]

IMO, Savage is doing a good job with their trigger. The AccuTrigger is an innovative, crisp, no-creep trigger with a safety feature built in. I think most off-the-shelf rifles these days have crude triggers with twice the pull weight of the adjustable AccuTrigger. I just like a lighter pull, and happily, Savage offers it. Probably legal considerations prevent them from installing a really light trigger from the factory.

Harley

[tcmech]

The accutrigger on the ml2 is the same as the standard 10 and 110 models.

[tar12]

www.sharpshootersupply.com


As has been mentioned you must call them as they are awfully slow answering emails..I ordered 2 and they were $5-$6 each plus shipping.

[smokeeter]

Mar 11, 2009 16:17:42 GMT -5 tcmech said:

The accutrigger on the ml2 is the same as the standard 10 and 110 models.

I don't believe they have the same springs, I recall that the muzzleloader will NOT adjust down to the same weight as the centerfires.

[ozark]

Most of us shoot better with a light trigger but to develop the skill of using the trigger finger muscles independent of all other muscles a good clean breaking no creep trigger weighing in the neighborhood of 4.5 to 5 lbs. is a good thing for training. A shooting fault is pulling against the stock along with applying pressue on the trigger itself. (Called Pulling Wood).
Some have problems with the accu-trigger because they are not using the trigger finger independent of the other muscles and pressing it to the side as well as to the rear. Many love it. Some hate it. Overall, I think it a big improvement over what proceded it in the Savage. Ozark

[cumminscowboy]

28 oz is my preferred pull weight, if I get that weight is makes a huge difference in how I shoot especially in the field, where making a shot off say a set of shooting sticks, the proper squeeze off will make the difference between a hit or miss. the problem I have had in the past is trying to get the squeeze and growing impatient and thinking go off go off, its gotta happen now, then I end up yanking the trigger and missing.

I played a little bit with trying to fix it, I am not very happy with savage putting such a darn heavy spring in, there flat out isn't any need for it, if you adjust the trigger too light the sear just drops down onto the metal piece and locks the trigger, its fool proof if you ask me. 3.5#'s was the lowest I could go, which is bull crap!!!! why even have an accutrigger if that is all you get. so I cut off about 5 coils on the spring to finally bring it down to what I want about 2 #'s then I had to stretch out the spring because there has to be a certain amount of tension to make it work, it works now, but I don't feel comfortable with it, so I am going to give SSS a call, it flat out just needs a lighter spring in there, stretching out the old one isn't making me all that fuzzy about it.

at the end I think I am going to like the accutrigger, its almost like a 2 stage trigger, move the silver part out of the way then you can start the squeeze off

[Harley]

Cowboy, that last comment of your is pretty much what I've said all along, that it's like a single stage set trigger. Take up the slack by depressing the blade; when the blade makes contact with the trigger you know a slight bit more pressure will fire it.

Harley

[Richard]

Or, just bite the bullet and put in a nice Rifle Basix trigger and be done with it! ;D
Richard

[jims]

In this same general area, will the lighter spring work also with the pre-accutrigger or just with the accutrigger models?

[youp50]

My ML does not have the accu trigger. I have a model 10 something or other. I probably dry fired it hundreds of times until I was comfortable with the trigger in a trigger thing. Now I like it, I belive I had to develope what is called 'muscle memory'.

I respect your dislike of the trigger.

[smokeeter]

Mar 11, 2009 19:13:50 GMT -5 jims said:

In this same general area, will the lighter spring work also with the pre-accutrigger or just with the accutrigger models?

Different springs, the older style have a piano wire type spring the accu uses a coil spring.

[Deleted]

I just ordered a sss competition trigger today, think its 2lb to 12 oz. any of you guys had any experience with the sss? also ordered a farrel one piece base........Bill

[whyohe]

cumminscowboy, dont get discouraged. i know of quite a few people that dont like light triggers and i think that along with legal they might not let it go that low. but check you user manual im curious as to how low they say it will go. once yoou get the trigger to where you want the fun will begin .

[KerryB]

Those Savage competition/target triggers with the red blade sure adjust pretty light! I was telling CraigF about trying a display/sample trigger in the gun shop the other day. It was so light that you could depress the blade and after that, if you even touched the actual trigger......the gun would fire. I figured it was adjusted extra light by the factory just to make a point, so i asked to see one of the rifles off of the shelf with the same model trigger. Guess what.........it worked exactly the same and felt like it had a pull weight of only a few ounces! Craig told me that his Savage target rifle with the red blade trigger, worked exactly the same way. So we all know that Savage can and does make a trigger that is extremely light, as well as sell them like that without any apparent legal worries. I have to wonder if a guy could switch out a couple of parts from the target model into our 10MLII's and get the pull weight down to benchrest settings? Maybe i'll see if Craig would compare the triggers and maybe photograph the differences so i could do some serious trigger/bench work!

[blackhawk7204]

That bolt retaining screw could have been placed on the side of the receiver like on a
Rem 700ML. Works exactly the same as the Savage bolt except it's only function is to retain and guide the bolt. Maybe Savage thought it looked better without an extra screw showing? Or perhaps just easier to manufacture? All I know is a design change is long overdue.

[edge]

I don't know what rifle makers supply a non custom HUNTING rifle with a trigger that goes lower than 3 pounds...thank you lawyers

The light spring from SSS are for non hunting rifles, competition and law enforcement! ( I think )

edge.

[cumminscowboy]

all the info I got with the gun and instructions say the trigger should adjust to 2.5#'s, so IMO something is wrong here, in this case there is a big difference between 2.5 and 3.5#'s. It takes about 8oz to move the blade out of the way.

[joe21a]

If it takes 1/2 pound to move the just the blade some thing is not right. It should only have a very light spring pressure maybe 3 or 4 oz.

[cumminscowboy]

8 oz isn't alot, I am pretty happy with how its set now, It has about a 30 oz pull, its like a 2 stage military trigger, give a little pull and move the blade then a little more pressure and it goes off, I think I am gonna really like it in actual use, it goes off crisp and clean too, the design is pretty much fool proof and very safe. I just need a new spring that is lighter, the clipped and stretched spring makes me feel a little uncomfortable.

[dpoor65]

1st... IMO I think 600 bucks for this rifle is worth the money...
2nd... trigger tension as mentioned earlier by harley 11 bucks makes you happy there,
3rd... as far as the bolt screw....I have removed mine twice for cleaning and checking (100+ shots since Nov), now if this were a black powder / black powder substitute rifle I could understand how that itty bitty screw would become frustrating....but it's not, so you will not have to clean it every range session like a black powder.... have a third pillar screw put in....
and if your really unhappy with it... post it for sale