Bringing old posts and Info to new board

[ozark]

Sorting through old post of the old board to locate and bring forward information developed over a long period of time by some poineers of this forum is being considered. There is a lot of good information there along with some that is now obsolete. Please consider the potential value along with the task of digging it out and organizing it and select the answer you think wise above. Your opinion will provide us with whether this is a work that is of great value, little value or something that is best left undone. Ozark

[younghunter86]

I think it's a good idea. Who should do it? I don't know. Maybe just have a place where anyone can post something off the old board that they thought was useful. If it was their original post good, if not theirs give credit where it is do. Once posted to this "potential archive thread a mod or admin can look over the selected "potential" threads and if they want to post it in the Tips & Hints or wherever they can do so.

I like this idea because it's an ongoing process and not a few select people have to carry the burden.

[onecardchuck]

I also think it is a good idea and I would let the originators of the post weed through all they have posted and figure out what needs to come forward and what can be left behind. Perhaps the originators of the post can create a list of links and send it to one of the Moderators to get there okay to bring everything forward or not, but this would require only a handful of originators enabled at a time so to not overwhelm the Moderators.

[meltaylor]

I agree with younghunter if a way can be worked out to do it. We lost a lot of information when we went from the first board to the second one, now we've moved on to the third board and again face the prospect of losing data as we move on.

I think it also makes a lot of sense for those of us who belong to the board to copy and preserve on our computers whatever general info we think might be valuable in the future. At one time I had a large archive of data from the first (original) board on my computer but, like a dummy, didn't back up often enough and when my hard drive crashed lost almost all of it.

Mel

[Harley]

I just spent close to an hour going over my own posts on the old Board. I copied about a dozen that I thought might have current interest. What do I do next? I could just throw them all into a new thread, but that doesn't seem the way to go. I could send them to a moderator for inclusion or culling. I could forget the whole thing.

Harley

[fowlplay]

If you can bring the old "Tips and Hints" section to the new board then that is all the newcomers will need. IMO most questions from the old board will be asked again. It just a matter of time.
Steve

[Richard]

I totally agree with fowlplay! Just bring the old Hints and Tips to the new board and be done with it! Seems like a "no brainer?"
Richard

[whyohe]

FYI the old tips and hints is on this board. it is the first sticky in this forum. and jut tried it and it worked good.

[tar12]

I agree with Mel. There is a lot of valuable info. there that we risk losing.To what end? This board is THE SAVAGE 10ML BIBLE. Where would we be with out a complete version?The different views and answers?

[moto357]

may I chyme in and just say there is definitely tons of info on the other board. I rather enjoy looking thru it for things cuz in doing so I'll come accross several other topics that catch my eye. Me thinks if the old board isn't in danger of dissapearing, it should remain well known for newcommers that it exidts and although may not be "alive" it's chucked full of information. Furthermore, any new questions I'm sure will be brought up.

That being said I would also like to add a big thank you to all who have contributed and selflessly taken the time to make this all possible and freely available to the public.

[Jon]

Just my opinion. I have a lot of book marked pages. that I refer to, If they become a repeat or no longer prevelent I remove the book mark. Over the last couple of mo. I have gone over every page of the old board and some of the green board I found a lot of interesting things. But being a newbie these may be boreing to others. As long as I have the ability to revisit my book marked pages I'm content. Rather than someone spending a lot of time trying to decide what is important and what isn't. Sorry If I'm gumming up the works. I'm just giving my 2cents worth.
Jon

[tar12]

I see everyone is favoring lettting the original poster bring info. forward.Where is the flood of info. at?

[edge]

Mar 13, 2009 14:56:18 GMT -5 tar12 said:

I see everyone is favoring lettting the original poster bring info. forward.Where is the flood of info. at?

Here was my original thought.
There are threads that may or may not be on the OLD Doug's board that even though they are in the Tips section will never be seen by the newbies.

Lets take Rman who posted some great articles on shooting. For this board they would be new and fresh, and also a refresher course for the old guys

If edge post's this article, how many folks are going to remember the last line that it was posted by Rman?

Then, perhaps there are things that he would like to have changed, or added, or deleted. If I post them he could send me a PM, but if he posted it he could modify it anyway he sees fit.

At any rate, this would be an example of what kind of post I was thinking about!

edge.


Here is an example #10 Shooting Tips:

Shooting technique/ offhand
« Thread Started on Dec 24, 2004, 6:55am »

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Well it has been awhile since I wrote any articles on technique so since we have bad conditions for waterfowling here this AM I thought I would bore you all to tears

The offhand position:

The offhand position is most commonly refered to as the standing position by most non- match shooters. It is the most difficult to master. But with a little work just about anyone can improve on their offhand shooting.
The offhand position (OH from here on out) is vital to learn for the well rounded rifleman. It was once told to me by the Commanding Officer of the U.S. Army Marksmanship Training Unit at Ft. Benning, GA. That if a shooter could master the offhand, he could be taught anything else pertaining to shooting technique. Well as much as I disdain The Army MTU ( I am a Jarhead ) he was right. Of course the ARMY MTU has great shooters and instructors ( about half are former Marines ) just like all branches of our Armed Forces do. Anyway I digress as per my usual SOP.
Needless to say learn the offhand and it will help you in all other positions.
OH just like any other position does not begin with the rifle. It starts at the ground and works it's way up. So I will attempt to start there and walk you through building a good OH position. I hope you all can cut me a little slack here as it is very difficult to teach position shooting without pictures/training aids/ or a demonstration. But hopefully you will gain something useful from this lesson and it will peak your interest enough to locate some pictures on your own.
So we start at the ground or to be more precise with our feet. Stand with feet at aprox shoulder width apart facing the target. Now open your stance a few inches. Now turn (this is for right handed shooters,lefties do the opposite) moving your feet to aprox 90 degrees to the right. You should now be able to look at the target by turning your head to the left and looking directly over the left shoulder. This may seem like too much, but hang on and you will see why we did this.
OK now we take hold of the rifle. Right hand should grip the rifle fairly high on the pistol grip portion of the stock. The goal here is a firm grip with as little contact as possible of the trigger finger and the stock. The trigger finger should make contact with the trigger with the first pad of the finger. Not the joint. We want a firm grip with the thumb and bottom three fingers, and with the first pad of the trigger finger contacting the trigger and no other stock contact. This will allow us to make a clean,straight back pull. Depending on your stock design and hand size this may be impossible, but that is the goal. Get as close to this as possible.
OK now take the left hand and place it on the bottom of the forearm of the rifle about 5-6 inches in front of the trigger guard in the web of the relaxed fist. I better explain that a little. Hold your left hand palm open in front of your ugly mug Daggone it I just spit tobacco in my coffee cup , hang on I gotta get some fresh coffee.
Now keep your thumb pointed out, close the other 4 fingers loosely on the palm. See the notch between the thumb and hand? That is where the rifle goes. Place it on the forearm about 5-6 inches in front of the trigger guard. You have not mounted the rifle in the shoulder yet have you? If so get down and give me 10 ! DO IT!
OK now that I have your attention again.
With the right hand on the pistl grip turn the rifle flat in relation to the ground with the scope/sights on the right or facing outboard. Lift the rifle to shoulder level, with the muzzle pointed up about 30 degrees. Place the bottom corner of the butt high in the shoulder pocket. Keep the rifle turned sideways and your left hand cupped as prescribed on the forearm. Now you can rotate the rifle up to your face keeping a firm grip with the right hand and letting it rotate in the left hand. Done correctly the rifle will be high in the shoulder pocket, the right elbow with be parallel or nearly so with the ground, and the stock will contact the cheek WITHOUT having to drop the face to the stock aligning the shooting eye with the scope/sights. At the same time as you do all this you push your hips slightly towards the target, lean back just a hair at the waist, and tuck the left elbow in tight against the torso. Done correctly this position provides max support with the least amount of muscle use. I am not pointed at the target you say. Good , you are not supposed to be yet. Now twist to the left at the waist to align the rifle on the target. You should feel a little "torque" to get there. Now relax allowing the left arm to support most of the weight of the rifle with bone support on the ribcage. A firm grip is maintained with the right hand with a slight backward pressure into the shoulder, and minimal torque is held with the waist for proper body alignment with the target. That is a proper OH position. There are options that you can use to make this position work better for you. First body alignment and natural point of aim are controlled by moving the feet as a unit more in or out toward the target. Stance can also be widened or narrowed a little bit to provide max balance for the particular shooter. I like to go just a little wider then the shoulders, but you can see what works best for you. Waist torque at first seems unnatural, but as you progress you will find by adding torque you can improve your position and there by your shooting. But when learning this position you may find a positioning of the feet closer to 45 degrees to the target and minimal waist torque is easier for you.
You will find in the offhand position trigger control becomes critical. Also breathing is a big factor (remember BRASS?) Learning to shoot inside your wobble area is a must, and ambushing the bullseye is a big no-no at least until you learn how to manage the trigger,your breathing, and your wobble area. You can also experiment with the position of the left hand . Moving it forward or back will control how high or low the rifle will naturally point. You can also shoot with the rifle resting on top of a closed fist, or an open palm laid flat on the bottom of the forearm. I recommend a shooter learn to use the V between the thumb and fingers because it gives more control. In this manner a moving target can be tracked by swiveling the hips and the rifle does not fall off a closed fist. Also an open palm technique is too springy and leads to excessive movement before firing and bounce afterwards. But depending on your body size and shape, and rifle fit you may find the closed fist or open palm works best for you. If you are not up on some of the terms I used such as "BRASS" I would recommend you follow the link at the end of this article to see some other things I have written to bring you up to speed. As always any questions or comments are welcome and feel free to ask away and I will answer as best I can. Breaking the shot in the offhand is critical and I will address it some as this thread continues. But first it is a good idea to learn the position and get comfortable with it. The way to do this is set up a target and practice dry firing from this position. Keep in mind that you want the shot away in less then 12 seconds and ideally in 5-7 seconds. Call your shots when dry firing, watch for flinch and strive to control your wobble area. After a few 15 minute training sessions you will see without ever firing a live shot that your shots will start breaking near or on the bullseye more often. I like a dimesize bulleye at 20 feet or so for this type of practice. Give it a whirl and let me know how this works for you and any questions you may have.
Rifleman

[ozark]

l read this lesson carefully inwardly hoping I could add something benefitual or at least find fault because I was in the game for years. I concur precisely with The Rifleman and commend him for a fine presentation. I mastered the offhand position and have passed through that position clean hundreds of times (10 shots in ten minutes at 200 yards). The Riflemans way was the way that AMU, and Marksmanship units across the world used. It does require effort and practice, it involves developing muscle memory but as you follow the system over and over you will find that the wobble area decreases and the trigger control skill will permit you to keep those shots in a tight group.. Great job R Man. He was obviously there and learned well. Ozark

[tar12]

I understand the quandary you are facing and where you are coming from Edge,and do recognize the need for the originality of the posts.My concern was that people might not take the time to bring forth the excellent articles like you mentioned and be lost for all time.There truly is a wealth of info. there...hopefully people will step up and all of my worry will be for naught. ;D