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Post by passthrough on Sept 7, 2011 20:18:43 GMT -5
Chuck hawks says the dipper works well with the AA. Is this true or do I need a scale to measure out the powder in order to get good accuracy. My only goal is to make the ML II a good deer gun out to 150 yards if possible and sight the gun in to give us the best opportunity. Will the lee dipper hurt sighting the gun in with the AA 5744?
thanks vey much for your thoughts
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2011 20:40:37 GMT -5
I think most on this board would agree to WEIGH charges.
Its just a safer way to be. Your gun might like 2 more grains than what you can put in the dipper,you'll never know it going that route,IMO. Be careful.
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Post by zakjak221 on Sept 7, 2011 20:52:08 GMT -5
The more consistant you are with your loading and shooting process,the more accurate you will be. By consistant I mean doing the procedure the same way every time. By weighing your loads,you will insure it's the same weight for each shot.
Other examples of this are indexing sabots,placing your gun on the rest in the same place while at range,loading with the same amount of pressure.
Mark
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2011 20:59:36 GMT -5
get some scales, sooner or later you will be using a different powder.. tried the dipper when i first started just to see how consistent it was.....it wasnt.......Bill
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Post by GMB54-120 on Sept 7, 2011 21:55:18 GMT -5
I did ok with a dipper and 5744 if i poured it into the dipper and carefully sliced off the top. Wasting some powder in the process. Actually dipping and tapping off the extra didn't do very well when i weighed them. Tried them with other powders too and some of the variations were exceeding max even though the dipper wasn't supposed to be that high. Got tired of the BS and bought a RCBS ChargeMaster 1500 combo and now life it good.  |
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Post by 10ga on Sept 7, 2011 23:25:47 GMT -5
I have a friend who has a balance type powder scale and I got 75 vials from smokeeter. After finding the "sweetspot" on the different guns I don't change much. When testing I just weigh out 5-10 charges each of test weights, mark them and off I go. 75 is way more shots than I'd shoot out of the SMLs in 1 day. With the cooling rods and 3 SMLs I can pretty much shoot as fast as I can load, record info, check targets etc. Yeah, If you don't have access to a scale you're gonna need to buy one. Heck, I even weigh my Swiss BP when shooting my smokey guns in competition ($), it makes a difference. Lotsa people have no idea what real accuracy is and it'll cost them to find out. 10 ga
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Post by mountainam on Sept 8, 2011 6:25:54 GMT -5
Use a scale for SAFE and accurate muzzleloading. Leave the dippin' for the buckskinners.
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Post by edge on Sept 8, 2011 7:32:55 GMT -5
It all depends on your technique. I used to dip and weigh every load and found that 8 or 9 out of ten were within a tenth of the target weight. I used the "heaping" scoop technique  Basically I had a container of powder that I kept near the same level. I would then dip through the powder and try to come up through the powder vertically, at the same speed each time. I would then dump it into my scale and let it settle, if it was within a tenth I'd dump it into the load tube if not it went back into the container. An overflowing scoop is remarkably consistent. The only problem is that the scoop determines the exact powder weight and not you. If you get a scale then you can determine the weight to what your rifle likes best. edge. |
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Post by mike3132 on Sept 8, 2011 10:27:12 GMT -5
In the past Ive dipped a lot of charges and shot some impressive groups. As edge stated being consistant with dippers is the key. Mike
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Post by Jon on Sept 8, 2011 14:32:16 GMT -5
Just my observation if you only have say a pound of powder unless you kep it constantly mixed up when you get to the bottom your going to get a suprising amount of powder per scoop
Jon
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