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Post by ET on Mar 10, 2009 21:28:43 GMT -5
DW
Thanks for the response and glad to hear it performs well. Nice to know when an idea works out.
Ed
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Post by ET on Mar 11, 2009 21:11:57 GMT -5
Well couldn’t leave well enough alone and decided to do some more work on this project tonight. So here goes with my progress. She now fits my barrel beautifully. Also a picture of the tool I used to cut the ID for muzzle fit. Have decided to cut the side port with a die grinder and bit designed for aluminum. Hope to cut on Saturday if I can acquire the bit on Friday. Will attempt this after waking up and a few coffees under my belt. ;D Once the side port is cut it’s a down hill run after that. I am really having a ball with this project as you can tell. ;D Ed
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Post by rexxer on Mar 11, 2009 22:04:51 GMT -5
Really nice work Ed! I think you will like it when its done!
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Post by youp50 on Mar 12, 2009 6:23:37 GMT -5
Ed,
You might want to consider jobbing out the milling of the side port. There must be a small shop or gunsmith around somewhere. You may even be able to find a tool and die maker that you could ship it to. The tool and die guy may request anonymity, but he does good work.
Scott
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Post by ET on Mar 12, 2009 18:33:50 GMT -5
Rexxer I have liked everything about this project so far and learned a lot about my mini lathe capabilities as well as my own. Youp50 A smart person would heed your advice but by the time I got to read your post it was all over. Well my weekend went for a nosedive. Got a call from the tool supplier and my tool for my die grinder came in today. Aw nuts that tool is here early and I know what’s going to happen when I get home. First off I had to cleanup the shavings from the past 2-days before doing anything. When that was done I felt an irresistible urge take hold that I expected anyway so I gave in and jumped back on my project. ;D Feeling I still had a steady hand and a nearby support for controlling the die grinder It was off to the races. Below is the end result. All that is left is cleaning a little around the edges and completing my short ramrod for the starter. Then the thrill is gone until range time. The one thing I saw and liked was that this middle aged fart still has a decent steady hand eye co-ordination. Ed
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2009 18:47:52 GMT -5
good job et, this brings to mind a thought I once had, I think it has caught on, what do you think Harley?
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Post by Richard on Mar 12, 2009 18:50:17 GMT -5
Well if you are a middle aged fart, I guess you are planning to live to be over 100 years old! Nice work........... Richard
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Post by ET on Mar 12, 2009 19:14:17 GMT -5
Guys thanks for the kind words. Hillbill Will find out if it makes any difference using it or not with my sabot loads. I think that guys shooting sabotless with 45 and 40 may really benefit from this starter getting their bullets started straight into their bore. It was a good 10-hr run for me to get this far as I was as careful as possible planning/building it. Now have to make up some time with the lady of my life. I think going out for Chinese tomorrow should smoothen things out. She's also a blonde. ;D Richard Naah, 99 would be long enough for me and 100 & over is not considered old but ancient. ;D This is one project you may want too look at if you decide to go sabotless down the road. Rexxer Again thanks for sharing this neat project. Just got to get ready for the downer when it’s done. Ed
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Post by rexxer on Mar 12, 2009 19:50:21 GMT -5
I'm proud of you ET! A really first class job! Without the big dollar machines! Nice!!!
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Post by ET on Mar 12, 2009 20:18:29 GMT -5
I'm proud of you ET! A really first class job! Without the big dollar machines! Nice!!! I consider that a large compliment coming from the creator of this tool. Also seriously eyeing your bow press in "Home Made Things". I really like that design. By the way your work area looks a lot cleaner and bigger than mine. ;D Ed
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Post by youp50 on Mar 13, 2009 3:14:07 GMT -5
Looks good from here, Ed
Have you had to resort to a bench mounted, adjustable arm, circular fluorescent tube and huge magnifying lens yet?
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Post by Harley on Mar 13, 2009 4:16:31 GMT -5
Well, Bill, I think you're right: The first I ever heard of this project was your thought about making a good bullet starter. Later, when I was telling Rexxer that I wished the SpinJag could be more closely fitted to the barrel, he told me he had been thinking about that, too.
Ed, you're still my hero. I probably missed the posting, but did you cut your interior to as close tolerances as Rexxer cut his? I'm just wondering if a Starter has to be individualized for every rifle or if you (someone) could make a bunch and sell them.
Harley
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Post by younghunter86 on Mar 13, 2009 8:26:38 GMT -5
Ed, you're still my hero. I probably missed the posting, but did you cut your interior to as close tolerances as Rexxer cut his? I'm just wondering if a Starter has to be individualized for every rifle or if you (someone) could make a bunch and sell them. Harley Me wonder same thing.
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Post by edge on Mar 13, 2009 8:50:28 GMT -5
ET, that came out very nice Hard to believe that you put that slot in by hand...very impressive. edge.
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Post by ET on Mar 13, 2009 17:39:48 GMT -5
Youp50 In answer to you question, no not yet, just bifocals. My optometrist is a great guy and knows I read radiographs so he adjusts my vision with glasses to be the sharpest possible at 18”. Harley My internal tolerances turned out a little looser than what Rexxer recommended. If for any reason my hole is a little off center to bore this would be a good condition for self aligning. Just something I need to see happen at the range before additional comments. If I feel it is too sloppy then I will put a bushing in for the bullet sabot guide. My barrel tolerance fit is as close as possible. When I put the starter on the barrel and rest it against the wall there is no canting whatsoever seen. Edge Thanks for the compliment. Yes this slot turned out really nice but not quite perfect upon closer examination as seen below. Nevertheless I am happy the way it turned out as I felt this was the hardest operation to do without a mill. Using the proper bit for a die grinder, proper RPM, right direction of travel, some well placed drilled holes and good support when handling the tool you would be amazed at what can be done. Did I mention in the past I did hundreds of bolt slots in aluminum for bases and brackets. ;D Also I forgot to mention the use of a Dremel tool for doing some of the cleanup. That added some camo to the rougher spots. Ed
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Post by rexxer on Mar 13, 2009 17:49:34 GMT -5
Ed= I have used a die grinder many of times. It is very hard to control. Yours look exceptionally good. Are you sure your not a dentist? Its surprising how solid the starter becomes with the two tapers match up!
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Post by edge on Mar 13, 2009 17:58:38 GMT -5
ET, actually the close up picture is even more impressive! I doubt I could have made a better blend with a ball endmill! Very impressive handiwork edge.
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Post by ET on Mar 13, 2009 18:36:09 GMT -5
Rexxer From my past experience electric die grinders you really can’t control the speed like you can with an air operated one. Find that right speed for the tool and travel in the right direction you would be surprised at how well it cuts/shaves metal, especially aluminum. I learned that quickly when slotting bolts holes in my youth. Got pretty good at it and then got stuck with it all the time. ;D Yes when those tapers are a good fit they lockup nicely so to speak. So the only critical part is the bore and guide holes lining up. I believe here a little play may not be so critical when the starter is pushing the load straight in. Just my thought at the moment. Now I have a neat bullet starter to test and finish pushing in the load with a ramrod guide should produce my best results. As for dentistry I will leave that to more talented people like SW. And this dentist can shoot. Edge Who’s kidding who? ;D I’ve seen some of your work and see pride reflected in your skills. Such a person is a real tradesman, almost an artist. There are too few today in the industry where dollars are the only incentive and drive to get the job done quickly. Ed
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Post by Richard on Mar 13, 2009 18:50:55 GMT -5
ET and Rexxer.......Just curious how long it will be before one of you launch that thing down range! ;D ET......If you recall, when I first got started, I made one of those out of PVC and even painted it orange. Three times (3) I launched it down to the 100 yard embankment ;D ;D ;D. Never destroyed it though? Still have it and use it occasionally Richard
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Post by jims on Mar 13, 2009 19:06:54 GMT -5
Nice work.
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Post by ET on Mar 13, 2009 22:35:12 GMT -5
ET and Rexxer.......Just curious how long it will be before one of you launch that thing down range! ;D ET......If you recall, when I first got started, I made one of those out of PVC and even painted it orange. Three times (3) I launched it down to the 100 yard embankment ;D ;D ;D. Never destroyed it though? Still have it and use it occasionally Richard Richard I may be inflicted with some-timers disease but I thought the orange PVC object was a ramrod guide. The bullet starter is just to keep the bullet aligned/started straight into the bore a short distance. When that’s done then using the ramrod with a centering guide completes the bullets journey down the bore. So I don’t think the starter is ever going to be sent down range. I have one black mark against me with a double load but haven’t launched a ramrod yet or ever plan too. ;D Hopefully with my locked regiment for loading no other incident should ever occur. Ed
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Post by youp50 on Mar 14, 2009 5:29:41 GMT -5
For the 'down range crowd';
I remember a project in machine shop that consisted of a spring loaded plunger on a drill chuck key. It made it so one could not leave the key in the chuck and start the drill press. Perhaps a coil spring ....
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Post by dpoor65 on Mar 15, 2009 0:27:27 GMT -5
you lucky dogg...I love the idea....we'll be talking....
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Post by dave d. on Mar 15, 2009 8:43:38 GMT -5
:)ed,that is some beautiful work on that starter.you never cease to amaze me with your abilities.great job...
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Post by ET on Mar 15, 2009 10:45:25 GMT -5
Dave Thank you for the compliment. I’ve always had a love for tinkering. With the new toy I can really go places I couldn’t before. The enticement of this alignment tool was so great I couldn’t resist getting into it. Harley just had to dangle that sweet carrot in front of my nose. ;D Saturday was a free day for me from my other activities around the home so I just had to make another with a tighter tolerance for the sabot/bullet fit for experimenting for best immediate results without delays. The day went by fast without getting into any trouble. Also learned a new trick for keeping longer projects straight in the chuck with no tailstock support with a piece of hardwood. Even though the picture makes one not appear straight it actually is. Optical illusion. This board never ceases to amaze me with the ideas and ingenuity that others (you are definitely included) come up with that enhances our love affair with the muzzle-loader. Ed
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