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Post by Harley on Mar 9, 2009 18:07:55 GMT -5
I really value my SpinJag Starter. I think it contributes to accuracy (smaller groups) by ensuring a good, concentric start to the bullet before ramrodding it the rest of the way. The only thing I wanted improved was the flat "lip" that is pressed against the muzzle. I mentioned this to Rexxer and this is the answer he sent me. Notice the size differential between his sleeve and the original SpinJag; notice the brass bushing surrounding the ramrod. His sleeve is formed to slide down over about two inches of the barrel with a tolerance I can't measure. He even added a loading port for the bullet with or without a sabot. Now I can lean into the starter as much as I need to do without worrying that it'll slip off the muzzle. He is not making any more, but will be glad to answer any questions and give any advice/dimensions to anyone who might want to make one. Harley   |
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Post by Richard on Mar 9, 2009 18:34:09 GMT -5
Very nice work!
Richard
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Post by Harley on Mar 9, 2009 18:40:20 GMT -5
Even if it attracted no other attention, I knew you'd appreciate it, Richard.
Harley
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Post by ET on Mar 9, 2009 19:06:09 GMT -5
Harley
That is some lovely work from Rexxer with a nice touch of side loading your bullet load into the starter. Just a great concept.
Almost temptimg to try and make one from a solid aluminum barstock and that I have. The catch for me would be that side loading port as I don't have a mill.
Thanks for sharing it.
Ed
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Post by lwh723 on Mar 9, 2009 19:34:46 GMT -5
Wow, that is a sweet looking starter. I need one.
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Post by edge on Mar 9, 2009 20:22:55 GMT -5
Beautiful work, and very well thought out  edge. |
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Post by rexxer on Mar 9, 2009 20:33:38 GMT -5
Don't kid yourself, Harley help with the develpment and so didn't Hillbill. Edge and rossman were kind enough to give me the taper on the Savages and Pacnor. The secret to these starters locking up so tight is to match the Savage taper at .010 per inch. The diameter at the end of the barrel must match the inside diameter of the starter within a few thousands.It should work quite well and even could make it to speed load for a second shot while hunting. Lloyd and I had a fun time with this project. Not sure what are next one will be!
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Post by willscarlet on Mar 9, 2009 20:49:39 GMT -5
Man, that's tremendous looking work,very professional! You could sell a bunch of these, I'd buy one.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Mar 9, 2009 20:52:17 GMT -5
Dear Rexxer...I will take 2..Thank you very much Drop
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Post by rexxer on Mar 9, 2009 20:57:18 GMT -5
We really came up with the idea to help in loading sabotless in our .45s. It works well for sabots too. The loading port is .458 dia., then necks down to .453 before entering the barrel.
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Post by Harley on Mar 9, 2009 21:10:36 GMT -5
Ed, I was thinking of you, also, when I posted this. I bet you could "mill" the port with a Moto-Tool.
I also expect to see something from you on the new Home Made forum.
Harley
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Post by sagittarius on Mar 9, 2009 21:49:39 GMT -5
Rex sent me a pic of his starter and I think it's fantastic. It's even better than my Spin-Jag starter; I'm jealous ! |
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Post by ET on Mar 9, 2009 23:32:54 GMT -5
Ed, I was thinking of you, also, when I posted this. I bet you could "mill" the port with a Moto-Tool. I also expect to see something from you on the new Home Made forum. Harley Harley Am I that predictable or can you read minds? ;D Have 1-1/2” Dia. aluminum bar stock downstairs and was sizing up what I would need for diameter and length for this great project that I just got try in my free time. Figure 4 to 4-1/4” length should do it. 1-1/4” for large dia. and ¾” to 7/8” for smaller dia. Plan on putting a threaded cap on the smaller end, brass would be a nice touch on aluminum. Need to figure out how to put an adjustable vice on my cross feed to hold the project while my chuck holds a ¼” mill tool. Moto tool is a good suggestion but don’t know if I can keep it neat to my liking but might have to be the way for me to go. Thanks for providing that suggestion. A shorter Barnes bullet jag should fit nicely inside. Dang you just had to post this one that is frying up some of my brain cells. ;D As for other projects I have built a proto-type cleaning rod guide for another individual that screws in like a BP. It’s in the testing stage to see if it has any merit.  Yeah there is another home front project being considered but may take a while.  Ed |
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Post by rexxer on Mar 10, 2009 5:49:11 GMT -5
ET- you could just press a brass bushing in the top and that would save alot of work. Would eliminate bearing cap, screw spacing and tapping. You might want to drill a hole at 90 degrees in your jag. You coud then load jag through loading port,stick drill in hole to keep from turning while tightening ball and shaft.
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Post by Harley on Mar 10, 2009 6:11:14 GMT -5
Ed,
1. "reading minds" was once my day job.
2. your bore guide is a lot like the all-Delrin guide I bought online. Works like a charm.
3. I'd like to see you post on the Home Made forum, among other great things you've done, the handy barrel/action vise. It's art work. With more and more people switching barrels I'll even post my own design, if for nothing more than laughs compared to yours.
Harley
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Post by onecardchuck on Mar 10, 2009 8:50:46 GMT -5
Great design I was thinking about buying a bullet starter from spinjag, but you guys have me thinking. I would by one of these for a .50 cal. in a second.
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Post by younghunter86 on Mar 10, 2009 10:26:16 GMT -5
Great idea! I want one too!  Hoping I can make make a crude version that would work 1/2 as good |
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Post by robhinze on Mar 10, 2009 10:56:00 GMT -5
Rexxer...please make up 25 to 50 of these I would love to purchase 4 of them for my self and friends who also shoot a factory savage 50's. You are on to some thing and I like most folks here on the forum either do not have the time or experience to make these.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2009 15:29:38 GMT -5
Rexxer, looks like a fire has been started, if mine works like I think it will theyll go nuts.....Bill
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Post by Harley on Mar 10, 2009 15:36:33 GMT -5
Good luck with it, Bill. What's the time frame?
Harley
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Post by ET on Mar 10, 2009 15:36:37 GMT -5
Rexxer Your suggestion/tips are appreciated. Should I get impatient or find a snag with my approach your tips will come in handy for sure. Just hope I can come close to the quality of work you displayed. Tonight I plan to lob off a piece of the 1-1/2” diameter aluminum bar stock. Harley Will post my barrel vise soon. Don’t underestimate your setup that may be more user friendly to achieving a barrel swap. I just need to see your results on targets to tell me it worked just fine. Ed |
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Post by dave d. on Mar 10, 2009 15:50:39 GMT -5
:)rexxer that is a great starter.sign me up i could really use one.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2009 17:18:15 GMT -5
Harley, no barrel yet,hopefully tomorrow, then its to the beach with the wife & kids and upon return Ill get stared....Bill
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Post by ET on Mar 10, 2009 20:19:54 GMT -5
Honest all I was going to do was cut a piece of 1-1/2” diameter aluminum bar stock.  After redefining cutting ended up doing a little more cutting than planed. ;D  The ball is rolling. Ed |
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Post by Harley on Mar 10, 2009 20:38:17 GMT -5
What's next, Ed? Is it tapered to fit the barrel contour? That is massive, looks too tough to cut a port with a Dremel. Of course, you don't have to have a port, you can just set the bullet on the muzzle and engage the jag as you lower the starter. So...?
Harley
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Post by rexxer on Mar 10, 2009 21:00:17 GMT -5
ET
Nice start! Nice finish too! Just remember the inside taper diameter has to match the end or your barrel pretty close. The taper on Harley's is 1-3/8 long. I made Harley's inside diameter neck down to .453 for 3/8 of an inch before entering the bore.
What makes the taper critical is to eliminate any gap between starter and barrel. Keep us posted! Rex
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Post by ET on Mar 10, 2009 21:10:17 GMT -5
Harley
There is more cutting and cut-off to do. Figured I better allow for a little more when starting out. It’s only 4-1/2” long right now.
My next step is drilling a ½” hole part way through it and ordering a reamer, hopefully .506” or .507” for the bullet/sabot channel. As for muzzle fit I am contemplating an approach.
Also keeping an eye out for a brass fitting I can modify for the end. If possible I would like that brass cap at the end. This should really look neat.
The side opening I will do near the end. Here I have to be careful drilling a few holes and possibly using a die grinder. Still trying to figure out a way to use/adapt my mini lathe.
Just got to try to keep my mind on the job at work. ;D
Ed
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Post by Dave W on Mar 10, 2009 21:17:39 GMT -5
Ed, I was thinking of you, also, when I posted this. I bet you could "mill" the port with a Moto-Tool. I also expect to see something from you on the new Home Made forum. Harley Harley Am I that predictable or can you read minds? ;D Have 1-1/2” Dia. aluminum bar stock downstairs and was sizing up what I would need for diameter and length for this great project that I just got try in my free time. Figure 4 to 4-1/4” length should do it. 1-1/4” for large dia. and ¾” to 7/8” for smaller dia. Plan on putting a threaded cap on the smaller end, brass would be a nice touch on aluminum. Need to figure out how to put an adjustable vice on my cross feed to hold the project while my chuck holds a ¼” mill tool. Moto tool is a good suggestion but don’t know if I can keep it neat to my liking but might have to be the way for me to go. Thanks for providing that suggestion. A shorter Barnes bullet jag should fit nicely inside. Dang you just had to post this one that is frying up some of my brain cells. ;D As for other projects I have built a proto-type cleaning rod guide for another individual that screws in like a BP. It’s in the testing stage to see if it has any merit. Yeah there is another home front project being considered but may take a while. Ed It works great Ed. Thanks again. |
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Post by ET on Mar 10, 2009 21:22:38 GMT -5
Rexxer
Again thanks for providing tips as I go along. In the end I figure mine will be a bit larger than Harleys as I will be using 250gr and down with sabots. The 250 grain with sabot is about 1-1/4" so the slot opening will definitely be larger.
It may be a little while before I get more done but will post as it moves along.
This is really one neat concept you have come up with and a challenge for an amateur like me to try to do.
Ed
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Post by volsgo1 on Mar 10, 2009 21:28:06 GMT -5
Rexxer put me down for one as well!!! Thanks
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Hoping I can make make a crude version that would work 1/2 as good
