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Post by weasel1977 on Aug 3, 2011 8:19:34 GMT -5
I just got new ml2 and am new to the smokeless scene. I bought a jug of n110 weighted up 5 loads (42grains) and took gun out to test it out. I couldn't get it to fire with the n110 and hornady sst 250. I am using a small rifle primer adapter from precision rifle that I used in my TC. 3 fail to fires I pulled the breach plug every time made sure it was clean and dry. I then tried a 2 Remington clean bore 209 primers and got same result. Thought maybe i got a bad bolt that wasn't striking the primers hard enough. So I pulled the loads and breach plug and cleaned the chamber and put 2 small rifle primers and 2 209 primers threw gun all 4 went bang. Tried 1 more n110 load with 209 primer got fail to fire. So next step was I got out the 777 and put 120 grains in a new small rifle primer gun want bang. Then I loaded another 120 grain 777 charge and a 209 primer gun went bang. i cant figure it out am I missing something? Does anyone else use small rifle primers ?
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Post by edge on Aug 3, 2011 8:31:24 GMT -5
First do yourself a favor and use real smokeless 209 primers!
Second if this is an Accutrigger model make sure you pull straight back and depress the trigger safety. If it is not all the way back it blocks the sear and the firing pin will not hit the primer with enough force to set it off. It take a bit of practice. ( this is a very common problem for those new to the Accutrigger )
edge.
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Post by 10ga on Aug 3, 2011 8:48:19 GMT -5
Weasel, Welcome! Glad you cam to the board. Plenty of help here. I had some of the same experience when I started with smokeless but with just 209s. Dittos " " for what EDGE said. Remingtons are not really very strong. You need to build heat and pressure to ignite smokeless. Real BP and subs are more like "explosives" and ignite very easily. I suggest you get some CCI or Federal 209s and in M if you can. All the smokeless shooters I know of use hot 209s or large rifle primers. Be sure you have plenty of loading pressure too. Also be sure you cleaned that MLII barrel REAL GOOD, as they are usually pretty groaty from the factory. Ask more questions and use that search engine. Also do a survey of the various forums, especially the "tips and hints". Lots of info and experience available here. Ask questions whenever you are stumped, somebody has probably been there, done that, got the T shirt. I shoot a bit, but mostly I'm a hunter. Somewhere on the board there is a thread about what to do when starting new to smokeless with a MLII, when I find it I'll send you a link. Best, 10 ga
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Post by 10ga on Aug 3, 2011 8:54:27 GMT -5
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Post by fishhawk on Aug 3, 2011 9:07:15 GMT -5
How was your loading pressure on the ramrod? If they don't load tight enough to make pressure it won't light the powder. Also whenever a load fails to go off keep the barrel pointed downrange for one minute and recheck to see if the load is still seated. if the primer went off you probably won't hear it, but it can unseat the load which will also prevent ignition.
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Post by esshup on Aug 3, 2011 10:42:52 GMT -5
I use CCI 209M primers and have never had a problem like that. I agree with what's said before. I'm sure you'll get it figured out.
I wouldn't use the small rifle adapter, and I would be sure that I'm using the correct sabot. I really have to push on the ramrod to seat the bullet/sabot combo, and cannot use the factory rod. I have to use a power rod that has the "T" handle on it, or I'd drill the factory rod thru my hand pushing the sabot/bullet down the barrel.
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Post by tar12 on Aug 3, 2011 13:24:52 GMT -5
I use CCI 209M primers and have never had a problem like that. I agree with what's said before. I'm sure you'll get it figured out. I wouldn't use the small rifle adapter, and I would be sure that I'm using the correct sabot. I really have to push on the ramrod to seat the bullet/sabot combo, and cannot use the factory rod. I have to use a power rod that has the "T" handle on it, or I'd drill the factory rod thru my hand pushing the sabot/bullet down the barrel. Ditto on getting rid of the adapter as it is not needed. |
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Post by shoot2reload on Aug 3, 2011 15:05:58 GMT -5
First order of business is to lose the primer adapter!
Another thing to check is that your bolt is ALL the way seated (ie. turned clockwise until it bottoms out).
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Post by nic58 on Aug 3, 2011 17:01:29 GMT -5
If you are using the red sabot that now comes packaged with SST's, then that is part of your problem also. They generally are too loose a fit to reliably ignite smokeless powder.
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Post by Chris Champion on Aug 3, 2011 21:25:21 GMT -5
First order of business is to lose the primer adapter! Another thing to check is that your bolt is ALL the way seated (ie. turned clockwise until it bottoms out). Ditto on both suggestions! |
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Post by weasel1977 on Aug 3, 2011 23:04:23 GMT -5
Thanks to all. 1st I was using red sabots bought some black sabots xtp
's and they mic .501 at the base the sst sabots mic .498 at base so that should help red's were loose when loading with out a doubt. 2nd load pressure was light i will make sure to put a good amount of ramrod pressure on the load. 3rd I will pick up some cci 209s before I give it another go. I didn't check to see if the fail to fire primers moved the charge I would assume they did the primers were spent when I pulled them from the gun i just didn't think to check if they moved the load I was thinking what the heck this cant be that hard why wont this thing go bang. Thanks again guys for your impute great tips
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