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Post by huntrrr on Jul 11, 2011 20:20:43 GMT -5
I have a real urge to get a pacnor 45 cal barrel for my savage ml . I had Bill Ball do the 3rd action screw and bedding on mine last year, It shoots cloverleaf groups at 100 yds, and shoots around 2 - 2 1/2 inch 200 yd groups with a 300 gr remingtons, black crushed rib sabots and 63 grs. of reloader 7. Should be happy and leave well enough alone but a friend just had him do a 45 pacnor and man its something else. Shooting 2700 fps second with 200 gr. xtp's with 4198 blue crush ribs. Our normal shots are under 200 yds. but an occasion can arise to stretch that from time to time to 250-300 yds. Just hate to pull a barrel shooting this good. Been going back and forth for a couple weeks . Would like some opinions. Thanks in advance.....Huntrrr
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Post by 153 on Jul 11, 2011 20:29:41 GMT -5
I see no need to upgrade to the Pac unless you wanted a little less kick and something that shoots a little flatter. If I had barrel that shot as good as your I might pickup a Rem ML or another Savage but keep that gun as it is.
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Post by Dave W on Jul 11, 2011 20:48:41 GMT -5
I see no need to upgrade to the Pac unless you wanted a little less kick and something that shoots a little flatter. If I had barrel that shot as good as your I might pickup a Rem ML or another Savage but keep that gun as it is. My thoughts mirror his. I was in your shoes, have a great shooting .50 but had that .45 itch. I converted a Ruger #1 and left the .50 as is, no regrets either. The .50 may wear another barrel someday, but it will be a 40 cal, not a .45. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2011 20:52:38 GMT -5
me too, get another gun to do a barrel on. you have a fairly rare bird there, keep it as is......just another oponion
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jul 11, 2011 20:55:10 GMT -5
I also aggree... a fifty that has been set up by Henry and shoots that good. Keep it for reserve. I built a Savage pacnor .45 and love it. But my .50 wouldnt shoot like that. I would read and heed what these guys say.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2011 21:03:55 GMT -5
I'm pacnorin my 700ml and leavin my ml1 as is. I have read of some members trying everything but standing on their heads to get the groups your getting with your savage. So why fix somtin that taint broke...!!! Naw really, sounds like you have a winner there and why change a combo that the "MAN" Mr. Ball worked on. Get another action and have him build you the .45 of your dreams you got one in .50 cal already. JMO,
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Post by huntrrr on Jul 11, 2011 21:12:24 GMT -5
Well thanks seems like I should wait and build a 45 on another action. I didnt mentions that I too spent many hours on the bench to get this load. It didnt fall in my lap. I went home many nights sore and disgusted before coming up with worked. I can't get any consistant groups with any .452 diameter bullets. It really likes .458 with black crushed rib sabots. Thanks again I'll declare it a keeper
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Jul 11, 2011 21:23:15 GMT -5
Ummmm.....not much room for improvement there.
Another testament to the slightly larger bullet in .458. The B.O. guys thought they had the ticket with this bullet. Like magic....shot great for just about anyone who tried it. And, it's a great bullet terminally. Now, almost everyone who pounds a .458 300 Rem or .458 325 FTX downrange in a BCR is seeing the light with the .50. And these bullets, especially the FTX, are keepers for deer size game.....and cheaper by two-fold over the BO
I've seen it and believe this is the way to more consistent, downright scary accuracy with the .50. But the price is paid at the shoulder to a degree....depends on how you tolerate, or don't tolerate, recoil.
However, don't tell me that a 200 grain bullet at 2700-2800 fps doesn't rattle your sinus's a little! That's like a stiff .300 Win mag....or close. No pu$$y cat at the bench
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Post by picks on Jul 11, 2011 21:59:54 GMT -5
man I know how you feel, i sat on the fence for a long time, i also have 2 -50 cals that shoot very well BUT my new pac showed up today and cant wait to hit the range, i am leaving my 50's alone and trying to find a used one to put the pac on. good luck on not buying a pac haha.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2011 22:53:34 GMT -5
I'll solve your problem ,I just picked up a great ss ml2 that I'll trade you then you can build what you want. I need a good .50
since I've gone .45 crazy. Just kiddin put your .50 in a safe and kill with it later. Its getting a little late in the year to order a pacnor, you might want to order one now and get your action while your waiting, that will throw a little twist to things. Good luck with your addiction,I noticed DANNOBOONE mentioned that he took the plunge on a 700 recently.
I would like to know what Mr. Ball's opinion is on what he has started and how this board and others have influenced it .
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Post by lwh723 on Jul 11, 2011 22:56:55 GMT -5
Unless you've got $500 burning a hole in your pocket, no. And if you do, as others have said, just convert a 700ML.
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Post by Savage Shooter on Jul 12, 2011 6:30:27 GMT -5
My .45 shoots no better groups and is not quite as consistent of POI as conditions change compared to how my .50 shot.
If I had to decide again I would NOT have made the change, just no real gain, IMO.
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Post by sw on Jul 12, 2011 7:11:28 GMT -5
Though I am solidly in the 45 and 40 camp, I doubt you will see much if any increased range advantage with the change. The principle "if it isn't broken, don't fix it" is quite valid. I would not change the barrel, but a separate rifle with a 40 or 45 should at least be a consideration, depending on your interest.
I personally have been able to get greater consistency with the 45 PacNor than with the 50 cal Sav barrel. The 40, sabotless of course, is where I saw the greatest improvement. Shoots the same regardless of temp and everything seems to shoot well in it.
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Post by pposey on Jul 13, 2011 17:55:25 GMT -5
I'd keep the .50 for sure as it shoots like that
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Post by sagittarius on Jul 14, 2011 18:50:18 GMT -5
My MLII with factory barrel shot like garbage so had nothing to lose getting a Pac-Nor.
If mine had shot like yours, I would have saved some money.
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Post by Richard on Jul 14, 2011 20:08:00 GMT -5
While mine was not quite as bad as what Sagittarius used to profess, non the less it was poor  With the addition of the .45 Pac-Nor to the same action, stock and scope, it was like the "dawning of a new day!" I am now .50 cal. Savage free ;D and have no plans of going back. A new Rem. Pac-Nor ML (that is, most all the important parts) sits in my shop. The Barrel...........a 28", .45, ---1 in 20 twist, heavy contour..........1.2" down to .900 at the muzzle. A stainless Rem. ML action with Hunter bolt face. Just ordered a Boyd's Ross Varmint thumbhole in Pepper laminate, Picatinny one piece mount with Burris tactical rings. Richard |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2011 20:25:06 GMT -5
Richard I noticed your going with th 28" Barrel. Are you wanting more of completeness of a burn ,I guess ,you know what I mean or do you think a little more twist for stability or you just wanted one? I am the curious one u know. I haven't read until now about your 700 build, I couldn't stand it either.
Waiting,
Greenhorn
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Post by deadeye on Jul 14, 2011 21:08:45 GMT -5
huntrrr- what i see & think is your bb 50-i would not alter it in any way. i have a great gun-smith but when i get a gun's like my "woody" w/325be loads totally dialed & performing at a most excellent level -i would never let anyone alter or touch it,unless accuracy start to decline.(i have many including cf's i non-jokingly won't let gs touch again which is a "compliment")
imo start your build on different action & explore sabotless w/pac etc
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Post by rangeball on Jul 15, 2011 9:48:59 GMT -5
Obviously, more guns is always the answer  |
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Post by rmclaughlin on Jul 15, 2011 10:06:02 GMT -5
Range Ball ,You always have the good answers.I have a Model 11 short action savage just setting here beside the savage ml11 & the 45 cal smi waiting on me to get bored and do something.
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Post by rangeball on Jul 15, 2011 10:27:51 GMT -5
Sounds like it's itchin' to become a .40 |
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Post by Richard on Jul 15, 2011 11:50:41 GMT -5
Greenhorn...........actually these parts were "bestowed upon me" by a very generous member here. They are as he (or someone) ordered them. He felt the barrel was a bit too heavy for a hunting rifle. I will be doing his build in the future when he gets the desired parts. He happened to read where I was getting interested in doing a Rem. ML and approached me with the offer..........one which I could not refuse! Thanks again S.E.!
Richard
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Post by mountainam on Jul 15, 2011 12:09:05 GMT -5
huntrrr, You are at the apex of performance, so why spend more $$$ for the same. You need to take SW's advice. You are ready for the next level of a smaller caliber sabotless that uses the Swinglok full form sizer die. Go with a .40; .375 or .358. They all use REAL rifle bullets (with the exception of the .40 perhaps) and will perform like one too. Lose the sabot and do away with the "nagging variable" based on a Rem 700ML of course! Good luck with your decision!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2011 20:39:56 GMT -5
Richard we'll all be waiting to see how that will come out,i'm quite sure nothing but awesome.
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Post by huntrrr on Jul 17, 2011 16:23:05 GMT -5
Thanks to all for your response in this matter. I will be shooting this one as a fifty and will remain thankful for it. I will build another in 45 in the future as in Virginia you muzzleloading weapons must be 45 cal. or larger to be legal. I was in hopes that would change with the game law changes for 2011-2012 but no such luck. I would love to have a 40.cal rifle to hunt with. Thanks again for all your input Huntrrr.....................
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Post by dannoboone on Jul 17, 2011 16:35:09 GMT -5
OR, you could play the switch barrel game. I kept my .50 barrel "just in case". The great thing about the 10MLII, like the 110 based Savage rifles, is that you yourself can take the barrel off, place another on while head spacing, and change back to your original barrel. It gets easier every time I do it. |
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Post by pposey on Jul 17, 2011 22:28:34 GMT -5
OR, you could play the switch barrel game. I kept my .50 barrel "just in case". The great thing about the 10MLII, like the 110 based Savage rifles, is that you yourself can take the barrel off, place another on while head spacing, and change back to your original barrel. It gets easier every time I do it. Thats a fact,, and Richard I bet that 28 inch Pacnor will be a True Blue tack driver! |
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Post by Richard on Jul 18, 2011 19:09:59 GMT -5
Posey..............not to steal Huntrrr's thread, but here is a pic of the action with the bolt handle modified, the modified bolt stop and the Shilen 2 oz. trigger installed! I have other pic's on the bolt handle modification which I might put on a later thread when the rifle is done.  Richard |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 20:09:18 GMT -5
Rich, has the 700 bug bit you too?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 21:38:50 GMT -5
Richard,
Toolless is good,I figured....., nothing but awesome...!!!
Greenhorn
By the way is that a 1in 20 or 1in22 ?
2oz trigger . Thats a hair trigger for sure. Did you mean 2lb?
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With the addition of the .45 Pac-Nor to the same action, stock and scope, it was like the "dawning of a new day!" I am now .50 cal. Savage free ;D and have no plans of going back. 
