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Post by dennis31 on May 24, 2011 15:08:45 GMT -5
Today shot some N120 today. Had shot some at 60,61 and 62gn a week or so ago with groups worse than todays. Today i shot 59,58,57and 56grains, nothing to write home about. Kinda dissapointed, was hoping for better results with this powder since i had bought 5 lbs of it. Chrono wasnt working either today  , kinda a waste of todays trip  .  |
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Post by deadon on May 24, 2011 16:22:20 GMT -5
MOA deer for sure...What sabot and primer are you using?
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Post by Richard on May 24, 2011 16:25:55 GMT -5
Dennis...........they are not that bad! Try them with other bullets and see what happens? Don't think you will shoot bug holes every time. Been there done that Yes, some loads will shoot a bit better than others. Guaranteed every shot you put on that paper would kill a deer out to 300 yards................2" at 100--------------------6" at 300 (baring any external factors). Save the long shots for Deadeye  Richard (and N-120 is a good intermediate powder in a Triplex) |
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Post by dennis31 on May 24, 2011 16:36:31 GMT -5
deadon: Blue harvester smooth/ Winchester 209
Richard, I have some barnes on the way. I just checked my vent and its past .035. This time only 40-50 shots. Richard maybe im expecting too much from this gun or my ability isnt as good as i want to shoot. What was that triplex load again? Ill give it a try.
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Post by Richard on May 24, 2011 17:11:31 GMT -5
10/23/34..........N-110/N-120/H-322. You should be in the 2700 fps range. Also check out the 10/60 4759/H-322 load in the post I just listed.
Richard
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Post by tar12 on May 24, 2011 17:41:56 GMT -5
With the 195 Barnes I have not shot over a 1 in group with 60 grn of N-120. While the XTP is cheap to shoot and it can give you a general idea about a given powder it is foolish to write the powder off because of less than stellar results with a cheap bullet. Your groups with the 195 Barnes shoud be very different. I will be very surprised if they are not.
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Post by dave d. on May 24, 2011 17:53:32 GMT -5
:)Dennis those groups are not bad at all. Like Rick has mentioned try some 195 Barnes with those charges and I bet you will be happy. BTW the Barnes always out shoots the xtp in my gun.
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Post by Richard on May 24, 2011 18:08:08 GMT -5
Of course I tend to be argumentative ;D Not really but opinionated ;D..........I would beg to differ? At 100 yards I bet my XTP and Nosler 200 gr. bullet groups shoot every bit as good? Actually better, than the 195 Barnes. And out beyond that? The SST beats the Barnes, "hands down!" To each his own, but I do put more bullets down range than most who post here for what its worth Richard |
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Post by dennis31 on May 24, 2011 18:59:23 GMT -5
Tar12 wrote:While the XTP is cheap to shoot and it can give you a general idea about a given powder it is foolish to write the powder off because of less than stellar results with a cheap bullet. I havent wrote off the powder. I just need to find out what combo my gun likes  . Dave d/Tar12: I have some barnes flat bases on the way to try. Richard: Ill pick up some SSTs to try also. |
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Post by tar12 on May 24, 2011 21:09:02 GMT -5
Of course I tend to be argumentative ;D Not really but opinionated ;D..........I would beg to differ? At 100 yards I bet my XTP and Nosler 200 gr. bullet groups shoot every bit as good? Actually better, than the 195 Barnes. And out beyond that? The SST beats the Barnes, "hands down!" To each his own, but I do put more bullets down range than most who post here for what its worth Richard Well Richard that is true @100yds as this can be said about almost any bullet at that range. . The point of my post was that his accuracy could be improved upon by using the Barnes with the aforemention recipe.As far as I am concerned the fragmenting charactrestics of the SST,XTP and the Nosler leave them out of the running for a serious deer hunting bullet but as a paper puncher you would have no clue. Does this mean that there are not any bullets out there more accurate than the Barnes? Are you that dense? What is the point of your post besides touting yourself as a living legend at the range? |
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Post by Richard on May 24, 2011 22:13:20 GMT -5
Mr. Tar.........what is your point? Just because you happen to have gotten some good results with Barnes does not mean any of the other bullets are not accurate? Both Herman and myself have concluded that the Barnes has never given us our best groups? As far as a deer bullet goes? I have always contended that if was looking for a hunting bullet, I would choose the Barnes. The accuracy IS good enough to take deer at normal deer ranges. At least I physically show what different bullets and powders and loads can do vs. talking?
Richard
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Post by dave d. on May 25, 2011 5:56:38 GMT -5
:)Richard just curious do you even know how long I've been shooting a .45? Do you even know how many bullets I've put down range? Ask some people that have been here awhile. All my .45's shoot way better with the Barnes especially at distance. My post was my opinion and that's it and just because your gun doesn't like them doesn't mean Dennis' s gun won't see improvement. My post was only geared on helping him possibly to achieve what he is looking for in this powder.
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Post by Richard on May 25, 2011 16:19:26 GMT -5
Yes David I know you have been here a long time. All I was hearing was that the Barnes shoots better than the SST or XTP and in the case of Herman and myself, who together, have probably put more .45 bullet down range than you. And it has been our opinion that the Barnes has never proven, on a regular basis to be more accurate than the SST? This is an opinion based on both my sawed off 23" PN, my 26" PN and Herman's 25" PN. If they shoot better in your rifle? Than that is fine for you. I just don't think a blanket statement that the Barnes is better than the SST is valid......thats all. Not trying to ruffle your feathers......just keeping it real. And let me say this about "being around"..........expertise does not necessarily go hand in hand with length of involvement. Jimmy Johnson has only been a NASCAR driver for ten years and his sponsor/boss.......Jeff Gordon has been around about 17 years. Who has five championships and who has four? Don't forget, I am a bit older than you and have been around guns and gunsmithing much longer than you and shooting competitive matches for many years. To switch from CF to ML with that type of back round is not that big a deal. Learning curves can be a lot shorter than someone dead new to shooting. So, the 195 Barnes is better for you and Tar but not for Herman and myself...........Everyone else can find out for themselves And I still think it is an excellent hunting bullet! Richard |
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Post by tar12 on May 25, 2011 18:29:12 GMT -5
Richard,
PLEASE show where the blanket statement about the Barnes vs. the SST exists in this post? DaveD and I simply made a suggestion about ONE bullet that is available to us that will surely out perform the XTP group posted. You have a issue with trying to help a guy out? It really is that simple..maybe to simple to wrap your head around. It appears you are only interested in being argumentative and bent on tooting your own horn in which I surely dont understand as well because 75-80% of your groups leave a lot to be desired especially coming from such a experienced and seasoned professional such as yourself. Your statement.."expertise does not necessarily go hand in hand with length of involvement" applies to you as well as you are not exactly setting the muzzle loading world on fire..sorry I had to break that to you but I am just keeping it real...you understand.
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Post by dave d. on May 25, 2011 19:58:13 GMT -5
:)ditto to what rick said and i'm done!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2011 20:16:04 GMT -5
Dang guys, tie the goat up before it gets hit by a car.....  ;D |
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