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Post by rangeball on May 17, 2011 16:20:47 GMT -5
Buddy's vent liner is seized in his BP. He's had it for two years, never applied anti-seize or teflon tape, nor removed it. I've soaked it overnight in WD-40, no go. Think my brother has some kroil oil I plan to try, but if that doesn't do it, any sure fire remedies short of a new BP? For the record, he has maybe 30ish shots on it with 42 gr of N110 under a 250gr bulet with W209s. .035 tip will go almost all the way through it. He's ordered some lehigh vents but they won't do him much good if we can't get this one out. Thanks  |
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Post by dennis31 on May 17, 2011 16:31:34 GMT -5
Id try a propane torch, heat the vent up a bit in a vise. Another solvent for soaking PB Rust Blaster has woked in the past for rusty bolts.
Good Luck
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 16:49:47 GMT -5
Is there any way to put the bp in drill press ,drill center of liner,
insert an easy out bit tool and back it out. If I was faced with similar predicamate thats what I would try.
The liner is probably cold welded to bp so it might be a futile situation,but if you mess the bp up trying you can always buy another.
There are others on here that probably have unique solutions to your problem, so hear them out before you attempt mine.
I would also employ some heat on the plug itself, it might expand enough to break the coldweld,BUT I don't know if excessive heat will damage bp.
Good luck with it,Tight not so right here,
Greenhorn
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Post by killitgrillit on May 17, 2011 17:03:25 GMT -5
Find some one with a tig welder and put a nut on top of the ventliner then weld the center of the nut to the vent liner then take a wrench and turn it out
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 17:14:41 GMT -5
Killit,
Great idea !!! Most of my buddies that have a tig would charge me 35.00 to mess with it ,but if Rangeball can find someone that trick should work.The welding of the nut will definitely heat it up also.
Greenhorn
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Post by deadon on May 17, 2011 17:18:40 GMT -5
I soaked mine overnight in rust buster and then drove an oversized torx bit in the hex hole and walla. Some say the hammering the bit into the vent liner is what loosened it up. Rusty |
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Post by rossman40 on May 17, 2011 17:26:34 GMT -5
The last one that came to me popping it in the center with a punch did the trick.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on May 17, 2011 17:55:55 GMT -5
first I would get some kroil on it for a couple days..tap on it pretty good to get in in deep... then put it between a couple of pine 1x4 boards in a vice to hold it in place, try and tap either a torx or good hard hex bit in the vent then try to back it out gently if it doesnt move right away then try a little heat...then if it all dont work try the mig welding thing..or send it to Rossman...then when it is all done call savage and order a spare for future use ;D
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Post by youp50 on May 17, 2011 17:58:27 GMT -5
Heat it with a torch, drop it in cold water, hit it with a hammer and punch. Repeat as necessary.
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Post by Jon on May 17, 2011 19:46:09 GMT -5
Every one has good suggestions Tig welding a nut on it is the way I would go. But you also need to find some new Buddy's. I would not think of charging a friend for a 5min tig job.
Jon
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Post by Richard on May 17, 2011 19:47:35 GMT -5
First of all, has the inner allen slot been stripped?  ? Are you using a quality allen key to begin with? Grind the end of the allen key to get a good sharp edge. Apply the heat. With a propane (berns-0-matic) torch I seriously doubt you can get it hot enough to Fubar the metal. (Not an oxy-acetylene torch). The banging with a punch is also helpful. Easy Outs? ? I seriously doubt it. by the time you drill thru the head, it will drop off. Then all you have is a very thin 10/32 screw. If the allen wrench will not remove it, an Easy Out that small "ain't gonna do it either!" Plus, you pretty much need a carbide drill and the vent is quite hard. On a number of them I have had to use a 1/8" carbide drill bit and completely drill thru the screw.............then re-tap. Richard |
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Post by Jon on May 17, 2011 19:58:26 GMT -5
An easy out is to drill it out for a recessed plug. Problem solved.
Jon
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 20:10:56 GMT -5
I would put it in my back pocket for two days taking it out only at nightime...After that I would take it too the alley and kick it back and forth and up and down until it was good and dirty then drop it into the first hole I could dig in the garden. After the third day of being in the hole in the garden I would take it out at high noon put it into a vise and give the liner a good wack with a punch , then use a good and tight hex bit attached to a screw driver. Hold the screwdriver in your teeth while tapping on the end and at the same time turn it clockwise .....This method never fails for me and should work equally as well for you. ;D ;D ;D ;D. ;D ;D ;D
Zen
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Post by wayles on May 17, 2011 20:54:22 GMT -5
Some of the vents stick out enough to get a pair of channel lock pump pliers or vise grips on. You can apply more force with them if Panhandel's method does not work.
Wayles
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Post by excisac on May 17, 2011 20:55:49 GMT -5
I ended up with a seized vent liner after double charging my 10MLII.
After soaking it in WD40 I was told I should have used a penetrating fluid which works better than a water displacing fluid.
I rounded out the inner allen head hole with an allen wrench, then I tried a torx bit. That didn't work either. I bought a set of easy-outs and broke two or three drill bits trying to drill through the hardened head. Finally after several attempts I was able to drill through the seized vent liner and the easy-out was able to grab it easily.
This vent liner's threads had been coated with anti-seize and didn't have many shots on it but I am convinced the double charge was a contributing factor to it getting stuck.
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Post by hoz on May 17, 2011 21:25:07 GMT -5
Panhandles idea sounds like it would do the trick! Try it and let us know if it works. |
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Post by smokeless77 on May 17, 2011 21:57:30 GMT -5
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Post by bigmoose on May 18, 2011 6:39:35 GMT -5
After a great deal of thought I suggest you buy a new one. and clean it after EVERY use.
My answer is based on the fact I have zero mechanical skill's, when I had a problem [often] I call Brother Rick.
How sad it is to loss such a fine gent in the prime of his life. As for me every time I shoot his rifle, I smile, not a bad shot, Rick
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Post by pposey on May 18, 2011 7:52:16 GMT -5
I would put it in my back pocket for two days taking it out only at nightime...After that I would take it too the alley and kick it back and forth and up and down until it was good and dirty then drop it into the first hole I could dig in the garden. After the third day of being in the hole in the garden I would take it out at high noon put it into a vise and give the liner a good wack with a punch , then use a good and tight hex bit attached to a screw driver. Hold the screwdriver in your teeth while tapping on the end and at the same time turn it clockwise .....This method never fails for me and should work equally as well for you. ;D ;D ;D ;D. ;D ;D ;D Zen Hahahahahahaha Man I needed that!!! heating it up good and hot with a propane torch has always worked for me, but I have never stripped the allen head hole out either, |
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Post by mike3132 on May 18, 2011 8:41:03 GMT -5
Ive removed several with a hand held propane torch. Clamp the breech plug between two piece of wood, heat until it smokes a little and turn out ventliners. Don't heat the breech plug too much. mike
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Post by rangeball on May 18, 2011 8:48:06 GMT -5
All good ideas, especially Zen's He is planning on buying another plug, but this one the vent is not stripped. I've only tried using the allen wrench that came with the gun from savage. It started to strip on me, but the vent seems ok. I'll try tapping it with a hammer and punch, as they are handy and I can try right away. If a no go, I'll apply some of the other suggestions. Thanks |
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Post by dans on May 18, 2011 8:48:39 GMT -5
Mike is genius at getting out stuck ventliners. I send him a couple every now and then. I for sure would get a spare breech plug or two "just in case."
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Post by pposey on May 18, 2011 8:54:27 GMT -5
I'd try the heat first, then punch when hot for the full effect if needed
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Post by jray57 on May 18, 2011 10:23:04 GMT -5
Use a Dremel to cut a slot and try a screwdriver w/heat.
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Post by edge on May 18, 2011 10:45:35 GMT -5
When all else fails clamp it so you can drill it out from the other end with a 5/32 drill bit.
Make sure it is up in the air a little.
Either you will drill all the way through and only the threads are left and you can pick/re-tap them out OR the drill will un-thread it. Normally it will un-thread it but if rusted you will drill through it.
edge.
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Post by Jon on May 18, 2011 11:07:54 GMT -5
Edge. Very good suggestion. If you're lucky you could also use a left hand drill and it may do just like you said. I feel your way is better. It sound like a win win solution. Like I said before if all else fail's and you have a standard plug all is not lost you can still make it into a recessed plug.
Jon
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Post by rangeball on May 18, 2011 11:38:33 GMT -5
When all else fails clamp it so you can drill it out from the other end with a 5/32 drill bit. Make sure it is up in the air a little. Either you will drill all the way through and only the threads are left and you can pick/re-tap them out OR the drill will un-thread it. Normally it will un-thread it but if rusted you will drill through it. edge. Punch and hammer didn't do it, I'll try this next. Thanks |
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Post by killahog on May 19, 2011 9:48:20 GMT -5
I was going thru this same thing and tried most of these in the end I just bought a new breech plug.
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Post by 500cadillac on May 19, 2011 20:17:37 GMT -5
How much is a new one?
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Post by fishhawk on May 19, 2011 20:36:06 GMT -5
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