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Post by ET on May 14, 2011 8:55:48 GMT -5
No I haven’t disappeared but juggling time to put things in order. I’m ready to try again to start generating traces. Man computers can be trying at times and in this case had to install the drivers for the PT unit without the setup wizard. Everything appears in working order and the laptop is communicating with the PT module. Also have put together a board to house the PT module and chronograph display unit between 2-benches. This will aid in keeping everything organized and quicken the setup as everything has a designated location for placement.  The laptop will be on the adjacent shooting bench and the wireless mouse will be readily handy with me at the shooting bench for preparing the shot readiness. Here it is almost the middle of May and haven’t even got my preliminary testing started. Now all I need is some free time from work and decent weather to pull the trigger again. This is the last tough hurdle. Oh yeah the battery time for this laptop is 4-hours and it has been tested. Ed |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2011 9:50:45 GMT -5
Take some extra batteries for the mouse it is a power sucker for sure. I didn't want you to have anymore power issues,lol. Glad to see you are back online for inline. What's next ? Or are you taking request? You have been amazing on trying out and tracing all the different loads,IMO you have pushed the knowledge curve way up and also given us a safer approach at what the limits are.
Thank you ET,
Greenhorn
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Post by jims on May 14, 2011 10:27:04 GMT -5
Good to hear from you again.
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Post by ET on May 14, 2011 10:31:32 GMT -5
Greenhorn
The real credit for advancing the SAFE pioneering of muzzle loading belongs to Richard and TGinPA. Even now TG is still giving beyond what I would expect from him. His dedication for giving I hold in high esteem.
I am only at the beginning stage of starting tests. Getting all the equipment synchronized to respond to what I need should be behind me. I have preliminary tests to do to first to gain some familiarity with the equipment and then move into testing the 225FTX and then back into 200gr bullets. Once I know the safe pressure range with a few powders I can focus on finding the best load, which then will get a good run of traces.
Once my level of experience with the PT unit reaches a level such as TG has achieved and a few needed traces I need then I will be open to consider some requests to try. In other words I need to feel comfortable I am generating the best accurate traces possible before passing any info on.
Besides can’t let the 45 boys have all the fun with exploring loads and capabilities of their caliber of ML. ;D
My goal right now is just to get started and am really determined to do just that.
Ed
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Post by Jon on May 14, 2011 16:30:59 GMT -5
Et. Don't forget RB he should be an inspiration to us all. I not trying to take anything away from people today. I just don't want to see him forgothen for what a great person and inovator he was.He helped to make smokeless what it is today. All of you should share in the credit We consider our self lucky for all of you.
Jon
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Post by ET on May 14, 2011 18:16:04 GMT -5
Jon
You’re right RB should not be forgotten in initiating the start of all this. I think of him now as being inspirational for going in this direction. RB only had time to scratch the surface of what we can learn here and now it is up to us to continue to unravel of what can be learned.
Ed
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Post by Jon on May 14, 2011 18:26:37 GMT -5
ET. Very well put. It with great pleasure I see more and more people striving to push smokeless to it's ultimate levels.
Jon
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2011 19:17:57 GMT -5
ET,
You have been on so many threads involving traces,groups and all other involving TG,Richard and others with valueable insight and I was justgiving you some applause. TG is also the TRACE man for sure,Richard,Edge,Savage Shooter,Dave D....the list goes on, and RB whom I am sorry I never corresponded with but I know some of his work and knowledge made it to me through you all here,Thank You,
Greenhorn
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Post by Richard on May 14, 2011 19:49:15 GMT -5
Ed............here's hoping all goes well on your next range trip!
Richard
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Post by ET on May 14, 2011 20:47:28 GMT -5
Greenhorn
Thank you for the compliment but kind of feel I haven’t really earned any yet.
I also agree there are many others here who have made major contributions towards muzzle-loading with their pioneering. If running names then Deadeye should be on the top of the list also. I have never seen such a thread go as long as his did with his testing.
But putting aside singling out noted contributors I also feel that anyone who participates sharing his load experience and results also contributes to the knowledge bank of this Board. They are also an important part of it all.
Richard.
I’m hoping too to get this project finally launched on the right foot.
For now I’m reading and rereading the documentation for the PT unit to learn to recognize any anomalies and corrections if necessary.
I came across a small paragraph dealing with Bluetooth Wireless on page 38 that may be associated to the difficulties you were experiencing. This deals with Firewall Security.
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If the Firewall is not totally blocking communications, you may be able to establish a Bluetooth link but connection to the module as the Pressure Trace II launches will be slow and communication errors will occur while trying to capture shots. Unquote
It would have been interesting to see if this was the problem with generating long delay on your traces and why the OBT was not working properly. Sorry I didn’t catch this earlier while you were still doing traces.
Ed
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Post by tar12 on May 14, 2011 21:28:03 GMT -5
Ed,
The .50 still reigns supreme in pure numbers compared to the measly numbers of .45s and even less .40s. Many await your future work! Get after it already buddy! ;D
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Post by ET on May 14, 2011 23:43:10 GMT -5
Ed, The .50 still reigns supreme in pure numbers compared to the measly numbers of .45s and even less .40s. Many await your future work! Get after it already buddy! ;D Tar12 Hey, this boy wants to “Pitter Patter and get at Her”. Just feel like I’m momentarily restricted at the starting post. Be glad when I get out of this puberty stage and reach the maturity level that TG is at. ;D Ed |
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Post by youp50 on May 15, 2011 3:59:46 GMT -5
Ed,
Continue to persevere. I am certain you have all the personal qualities to overcome a few setbacks.
Set up looks really nice from here.
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Post by wilmsmeyer on May 15, 2011 5:31:32 GMT -5
ET,
I too am looking forward to your tests and feel like you have laid out a solid game plan.
After "puberty" I'd like to see a few loads tested that I have shot and continue to shoot...namely the 325 FTX in a Harv CR with 70 gr of H4198.
Tar is correct that the .50 is supreme and can do way more then the lesser calibers....for those with strong shoulders. Will you be using a sled for most testing?
Continue...
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Post by ET on May 15, 2011 7:20:47 GMT -5
Youp50
Thanks for the encouragement.
One special interest with the unit for me is the OBT feature. That requires knowing the Case Length and being reasonably accurate. Here knowing the base height of the bullet in the bore is the catch. It was a perplexing condition at first but then a light came on and now have a simple method to accomplish this.
Another special interest for me will be comparing some 45 trace loads that I can duplicate in the 50 and see what pressure difference and characteristics are noted. I imagine others will be interested in knowing also.
I definitely want to see this testing happen especially after tagging my pocket book for a working laptop. Now it’s time for payback with results/answers.
Wilmsmeyer
No lead sled here but a shoulder pad should help take a few hits. ;D
But as said I need to get out of my puberty stage first before making any commitments.
The only problem with testing some bullets later is finding a source for them here.
Trying to get 225FTX bullets here was like a wild goose chase. Here a special thanks to Mr Mike Dawson for his help to acquire this bullet for testing is in order. His help made future testing this bullet possible for me.
Ed
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Post by deadeye on May 15, 2011 8:00:58 GMT -5
et- i am also very interested in your work here which requires a lot of time,education & commitment. the pressure traces in the past are evidence there are a lot of variable's & things going on within these barrels. i'm sure your work will benefit many here.
somehow i was really interested in your "longshot" intended work ;D
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Post by tar12 on May 15, 2011 8:55:27 GMT -5
Ed,
What is involved getting supplies shipped from a US resident to you?
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Post by ET on May 15, 2011 9:10:15 GMT -5
Deadeye
I agree there are a lot of unknown variables that are sort of hidden at the moment that should come to light.
Actually I should get an indication of what to expect from Longshot on my first outing as I kind of gave it a bit of priority on my itinerary.
My itinerary will be as follows:
1) 2-shots (250SST) with the first strain gauge situated where recommended centre of the powder load. Next 2 shots using the strain gauge situated further out front. This will tell me how critical the gauge location is and my testing of Longshot will have the first strain gauge sitting out front. Here I will also establish my verification load.
2) Next up is the 225FTX and if the OBT is functional I will shoot 5-shots ranging through 5-grain different loads. Later on will focus on the best OBT indicated load.
3) Then here is where I will try some Longshot powder with 200XTP bullet starting at 25grains. Have loads up to 30grains to try if no pressure over 40k is seen.
4) Last but not least I have loads for the 200XPB above 50grains of 4759 to see where the pressure is at. Again I want to also see the best load OBT points out.
If the OBT proves to be a good indicator of a good load starting point then future loads will be quicker to determine without a lot of needless shots. Just another answer to a question on the list.
Ed
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Post by Dave W on May 15, 2011 9:27:55 GMT -5
Ed, What is involved getting supplies shipped from a US resident to you? Bullets were no big deal on this end, I just sent them via regular mail. Anytime you need bullets or sabots Ed, just get in touch e-mail or PM. |
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Post by ET on May 15, 2011 9:29:32 GMT -5
Ed, What is involved getting supplies shipped from a US resident to you? Tar12 If it’s not explosive, live ammo, radioactive or chemically dangerous there is no issue through customs. The kicker is if it’s over a certain price amount stated on the declaration Customs will sink their teeth into my pocket book. Lets just use say some bullets were sent to try, labeled as muzzle loading accessories (gift) and valued say up to $5.00 that should pass through as a breeze. The only thing I can’t control is how long Customs hangs onto the package. Hopefully with the above info stated it should have a very low priority for checking and move through quickly. Regular mailing time varies from 5-10 weekdays. Ed |
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Post by GMB54-120 on May 15, 2011 11:15:20 GMT -5
Im a bit slow sometimes so i need to ask.
ET
Is this one on a 50cal barrel because i would love to see some newer traces on a 50cal. I would also be glad to supply some sabots and bullets that are not quite as commonly used in a SML....such as a 50x475 sabot with a 275gr-475gr Speer DeepCurl. I also have a few 325gr-475 XTPs too.
Ive noticed the Speer DC/GD line of bullets are seldom used in SMLs but are very popular with subs. I have a few in .451-2 i would be glad to donate. The bases are a bit concaved so im not sure if they would work with smokeless.
I have a few 50cal 300-385gr bullets too but sizing them for sabotless might be an issue.
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Post by ET on May 15, 2011 13:56:52 GMT -5
Dave W
Your help with the 200XPB has not been forgotten and still plan more work with them as their reaction seems to want more velocity. With the PT unit now active (hopefully) they are going to get a kick in the backside with known pressure. My supply there is still good for testing.
Your offer to continue to help if needed is greatly appreciated.
Gmb54120
Yes my testing will be with a standard 50Cal. Savage that’s been modified a bit.
Believe me I have as much if not more enthusiasm to get this project launched and start seeing results. A priority is to gain some familiarity with the unit to feel confident I’m generating the most accurate results I possibly can.
I now have the unit and can only do so much testing for myself. Eventually doing some additional limited testing for others I won’t have a problem. Also keep in mind I don’t have the luxury of testing every week like some do so some tests won’t happen overnight.
When I get out of puberty stage I will let the Board know.
Ed
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Post by GMB54-120 on May 15, 2011 20:02:50 GMT -5
ET
Cool, it sounds like you are going to be trying at least 3 loads im curious about and two are known to shoot well in mine with 4759 but ive never seen a traces on them.
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Post by edge on May 16, 2011 7:26:31 GMT -5
Two things with the PT unit that can frustrate you. ML loading takes time. Make sure the last thing you do before pulling the trigger is to ensure your computer has not gone to sleep and that the PT unit is ready to shoot without a bunch of false traces. Second make sure you strap the cable down securely! If it is loose at all you will get disconnect spikes and the connectors will eventually wear out beyond repair and will need replacing. Here is a disconnect spike at 2 ms:  edge. |
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Post by ET on May 16, 2011 19:04:14 GMT -5
Edge
Thanks for the heads up for possible future aggravations.
Ed
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