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Post by edge on May 2, 2011 10:57:35 GMT -5
Ever since I began using PVC sabots I have been looking for an alternative. PVC sabots give off corrosive fumes when fired which means that the barrel must be cleaned and oiled after every shooting session which is a real pain especially during the hunting season. I have tried just about every plastic that is cheap enough to shoot and is rigid enough to take full pressure loads. Nylon was the first plastic I attempted to make sabots from back in my Knight rifle days. Nylon 6/6 is cheaper and lighter than PVC but size control and deburring is much more difficult. Size control is much more critical with nylon since it won't shear off is it is too tight as PVC will. As a matter of fact I took a nylon bullet/sabot combo and pushed it through the barrel twice with very little damage to it. It was the first shot that I fired and it had been pushed down the bore 3 times. My "K" version was with a 338 180 grain Accubond and showed no promise at all but the latest "L" version with a 200 grain 8mm SMK all hit close enough to the L-R centerline of my target to get my attention. I tried R-7 for this test which is a powder I rarely use but suspect that the velocities were probably not consistent. I will try to do a little load development and probably go to a heavier charge of a slower powder to see if the results are more consistent. Since I never swabbed it could just be that the barrel was fouling....but we will see. edge.
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Post by jims on May 2, 2011 11:42:50 GMT -5
Interesting, keep us posted and I hope you get it to work.
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Post by rkrobson on May 2, 2011 15:46:18 GMT -5
kevlar my son, kevlar, and with the deployment of the Space Shuttle, there may be a lot of it around, ha ha, Ray
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Post by Jon on May 2, 2011 20:26:55 GMT -5
This may be a stupid question I don't have the availability of c+c equipment so I don't know how it would finish It can be miserable on a manual especially using a tracer. I know that is very old school but that is all I had available. I had real good luck with uhmw as far as wear it was even better than iron and delron. Having never had the chance to use it in your application if I'm way off base I apologize. Jon
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Post by edge on May 3, 2011 7:47:11 GMT -5
A sabot needs to be cheap, easy to load and up to the task of keeping a bullet straight in the bore.
PE is cheap and light but not as rigid. I have not tried any of my newer designs with it but I can give it another try.
Current sabots used by most are cheap but not strong enough to be used for small diameter bullets. PVC would be near perfect if it were not corrosive.
Nylon with the right design would allow users to only be limited by twist. The 8mm 200 grain SMK's require a 14 twist but at 750 yards is still running around 1800 fps and carries 1000 ft/lbs at 1000 yards.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2011 8:19:49 GMT -5
Edge, Why are sabots petals cut parallel instead of offset slightly so they can engage rifling better ? Don't understand, Greenhorn
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Post by edge on May 3, 2011 8:58:26 GMT -5
Edge, Why are sabots petals cut parallel instead of offset slightly so they can engage rifling better ? Don't understand, Greenhorn My sabots are rifled I suspect that commercial sabots are made that way for ease of manufacture and also to prevent gas blowby. edge.
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Post by Jon on May 3, 2011 10:43:16 GMT -5
I'm assuming your sabot's would be similar to a full form bullet sabotless? Have you seen any pressure trace differance or is there still the problem with a second pressure spike? Sorry for the question but that is why I'm trying full form. I hope I'm not wasting my time and money? Jon
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Post by edge on May 3, 2011 11:07:26 GMT -5
I would agree that my sabots are nearly full form. I have not been plagued by secondary spikes except when the connection to the PT unit was going bad.
edge.
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Post by rangeball on May 3, 2011 14:30:03 GMT -5
PVC sabots give off corrosive fumes when fired which means that the barrel must be cleaned and oiled after every shooting session which is a real pain especially during the hunting season. How about a few hard cards or even a nylon disc as a spacer between the powder and PVC sabot? Or are the fumes from friction?
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Post by edge on May 3, 2011 14:34:39 GMT -5
PVC sabots give off corrosive fumes when fired which means that the barrel must be cleaned and oiled after every shooting session which is a real pain especially during the hunting season. How about a few hard cards or even a nylon disc as a spacer between the powder and PVC sabot? Or are the fumes from friction? The problem is friction, I do use a greased fiber card. edge.
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Post by Jon on May 3, 2011 15:00:39 GMT -5
Thank you Edge. That gives me some hope I'm looking in right direction. Jon
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