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Post by Jon on Apr 5, 2011 13:22:45 GMT -5
I have a question for all. I have 2 Pac-Nor barrel's my 45 is for sabots and is so hard to get the bullet started that since I damaged my shoulder I'm not able to start the bullet. I used to use a spin jag starter and a rubber mallet. Once it is started, with the ram rod it is normal. My other 45 Shelin is the same all the way down starter and ram rod. My new barrel is set up for a form fit bullet. I have to adjust it to start and after the first couple in. it is easy to load. Any input would be appreciated.
Jon
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Post by cuda on Apr 5, 2011 13:45:10 GMT -5
Are you sizeing your bullets?
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Post by Jon on Apr 5, 2011 15:40:16 GMT -5
In my new barrel I'm using a full form die from Swing Lock. The die is great and very accurate. I'm just wondering about the loading differance from the first couple in. of loading to easy loading the rest of the way home.
Jon
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Post by Richard on Apr 5, 2011 16:02:32 GMT -5
Jon...........the first few inches, the bullet is engraving the rifling; as it cuts and forms, the Resistance becomes less. Of course, if the technician lapped the barrel more below the muzzle, you could also get that situation. In a CF or RF barrel, it is advantageous to have the muzzle tighter than the breech end. In a ML, NOT SO!
Richard
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Post by deadon on Apr 5, 2011 16:46:57 GMT -5
In my new barrel I'm using a full form die from Swing Lock. The die is great and very accurate. I'm just wondering about the loading differance from the first couple in. of loading to easy loading the rest of the way home. Jon Jon, I would think the the first couple of inches down the barrel would complete the sizing and the rest of the way would be easier. Doug Edwards is the first man I ever heard using the swinglock die and his rifle IIRC his rifle shoots great and the bullet is an almost loose fit. PM him and maybe he has some more info. Rusty |
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Post by dannoboone on Apr 5, 2011 17:16:16 GMT -5
In a CF or RF barrel, it is advantageous to have the muzzle tighter than the breech end. In a ML, NOT SO! Richard Are you speaking of ease of loading a ML, or accuracy? |
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Post by deadon on Apr 5, 2011 17:17:23 GMT -5
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Post by dannoboone on Apr 5, 2011 17:37:51 GMT -5
Jon, do you use a damp patch followed by a dry patch between shots? My PN barrel is so tight that it's terribly difficult to get a sabot down a dirty barrel. It is much, much easier after putting four small drops of Hoppe's solvent on a patch, followed by a dry patch. It's accuracy is also the envy of a couple of my CF's.  |
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Post by deadeye on Apr 5, 2011 19:56:26 GMT -5
I have a question for all. I have 2 Pac-Nor barrel's my 45 is for sabots and is so hard to get the bullet started that since I damaged my shoulder I'm not able to start the bullet. I used to use a spin jag starter and a rubber mallet. Once it is started, with the ram rod it is normal. My other 45 Shelin is the same all the way down starter and ram rod. My new barrel is set up for a form fit bullet. I have to adjust it to start and after the first couple in. it is easy to load. Any input would be appreciated. Jon i know the feeling as above post are correct. i use the spin jag- ball starter also & center & a quick pop to start even though this is not probably the best method for the crown. from there i use the thompson center 32'' solid aluminum rod to seat the rest of the way-sometimes when not hunting timber i stuff it in my back-pack for field carry-good luck,do what you gotta do! |
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Post by Jon on Apr 6, 2011 5:33:59 GMT -5
That is the nice thing about the full form die the bullet is already engraved with the rifling. I've pushed the same bullet through the barrel multiple times with the same feeling. I was hoping that if it is a little tighter at the crown end it would help the same with accuracy as in a c/f? I will try the slight cleaning between shots and see if it helps? Now that I have a rest that will take the pressure off the shoulder I'll be ready to give it a try. All the sharing and help from the members on this board has pushed m/l's into a new high. Thanks for all the input.
Jon
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Post by picks on Apr 6, 2011 13:40:09 GMT -5
Jon I was going to send my drop from my new pac and get a full die. I was wondering if it is worth it and if you have any pictures of yours that you could post. what is the difference in accurcy?? thanx Mike
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Post by Jon on Apr 6, 2011 15:05:16 GMT -5
Picks. I'm still learning how to post pictures. Personally I'f I'm going to shoot sabotless I think it is the only way to go. I'm curious to see what happens in a pressure trace? If you tell me what you want pictures of I could try to e-mail them to you.
Jon
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Post by picks on Apr 6, 2011 16:35:21 GMT -5
If its not to much trouble I would like a picture of the full die and maybe a bullet that has went through the die .. my email is mcurrie.sk@gmail.com. thanx Mike
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Post by j1r11 on Apr 6, 2011 17:20:36 GMT -5
Jon, do you use a damp patch followed by a dry patch between shots? My PN barrel is so tight that it's terribly difficult to get a sabot down a dirty barrel. It is much, much easier after putting four small drops of Hoppe's solvent on a patch, followed by a dry patch. It's accuracy is also the envy of a couple of my CF's. Would this possibly contaminate powder? |
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Post by wayles on Apr 6, 2011 17:59:19 GMT -5
Have you tried JB bore polish. Slicked my thompson 45/70 smi converion right up
Wayles
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Post by deadon on Apr 6, 2011 18:11:08 GMT -5
Have you tried JB bore polish. Slicked my thompson 45/70 smi converion right up Wayles JB bore polish and paste which is courser is a great cleaner But IMHO that is all it is, a cleaner. Rusty |
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Post by dannoboone on Apr 6, 2011 21:21:35 GMT -5
Jon, do you use a damp patch followed by a dry patch between shots? My PN barrel is so tight that it's terribly difficult to get a sabot down a dirty barrel. It is much, much easier after putting four small drops of Hoppe's solvent on a patch, followed by a dry patch. It's accuracy is also the envy of a couple of my CF's. Would this possibly contaminate powder? If it does, a five month old load couldn't tell it! Use very small drops on the patch around the side of the jag, followed by a dry patch. I use a bottle with the syringe type needle (minus the point). |
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