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Post by matthewj on Mar 15, 2011 10:56:37 GMT -5
Hi guy's
i have one of the original MLI's that has a loose spot in the barrel and i am contemplating making it into a Single shot centerfire, has anyone else done this? I am thinking i will need a new bolthead, Large thread barrel and possibly a new firing pin.
any insight or advice would be great
thanks
matt
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Post by mike3132 on Mar 15, 2011 12:54:32 GMT -5
Not sure but I think its against the law since it was sold and stamped as a ML unless you have a firearms manufacture license. Mike
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Post by Jon on Mar 15, 2011 13:08:50 GMT -5
Matt. If you get to the point where you consider selling it please let me know I want to build a 40 cal. on a ml1 action smokeless and have not been able to find one. I've been looking for a year or so I would try to build it RB style including his b/p. I'm about ready to go with a Remington but would prefer the ml1 for that build. Thank you. That would put you close to buying a c/f gun ready to go. Send me a pm if interested.
Jon
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Post by fishhawk on Mar 15, 2011 13:27:59 GMT -5
Does the ML-I have a lugged bolt?
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Post by edge on Mar 15, 2011 13:36:52 GMT -5
Does the ML-I have a lugged bolt? Yes it is a slightly modified Model 10 Savage single shot. edge. |
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Post by rossman40 on Mar 15, 2011 13:57:49 GMT -5
Actually the left over 10ML-I actions were made as single shot model 10s, usually in .223. You will see one pop up every now and then. The only centerfires with the "M" prefix in the serial number.
IIRC the modules for the 10ML-I were based on the .223 cartridge which used the .378 bolthead so if you do not want to change the bolthead your looking at cartridges like the .17 Fireball, .204 Ruger and the .223 family. You can change boltheads and go with any cartridge that will fit in the short action. The thing to watch is the firing pin diameter where the firing pin goes thru the bolt cross pin. The 10ML-I was made right when Savage was changing everything over to the thinner "magnum" firing pin. IIRC for the 209 primer the firing pin is larger at the tip then the regular CF. The "magnum" firing pin is .095" and the older standard pin is .145" and the inside diameters of the bolthead and bolt cross pin are different. If you put a "magnum" pin in a older standard bolthead the chances of the firing pin breaking is not a "if" but a "when". Fred at SSS can fix you up with the proper bolt parts.
As far as barrels you need the "large shank" barrel. Starting in like 2002-2003 these were the RUMs and the WSMs. When Savage added the LRPV and the target actions these were also large shank. Jim Briggs at Northland Shooters Supply has un-fired take-offs in like .223, .308 and some of the WSMs. Sporter weight WSMs for like $100 but heavy barrels are like $300. Then there is other guys with used take-offs, look around some of the benchrest sites. You could go new with Pacnor Or Savage Barrels.
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Post by jims on Mar 15, 2011 15:49:35 GMT -5
You might be as well off to sell it and use the money to get exactly what you want. You already have a buyer in Jon.
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Post by savage on Mar 15, 2011 16:22:23 GMT -5
thanks guys, as always you are a great help , i wish i had half the knowledge of guy's like Rossman and edge along with several others on this board !
This action does have the locking lugs and i took apart the bolt tonight and firing pin is .145 , so i guess if i go ahead with this all i will need a smaller "magnum" firing pin, a new boltface and a large thread barrel in a short action caliber barrel along with some headspace gauges and i should be all set.
Thanks again
Matt
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Post by savage on Mar 15, 2011 16:33:54 GMT -5
thanks guys, as always you are a great help , i wish i had half the knowledge of guy's like Rossman and edge along with several others on this board !
This action does have the locking lugs and i took apart the bolt tonight and firing pin is .145 , so i guess if i go ahead with this all i will need a smaller "magnum" firing pin, a new boltface and a large thread barrel in a short action caliber barrel along with some headspace gauges and i should be all set.
Thanks again
Matt
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2011 17:55:48 GMT -5
What do you mean ? It has a loose spot in the Barrel ?
I have a ml1 and I notice that right before I seat the bullet there is a point where it gets easier to push down, I am not having accuracy issues I am just curiuos as to what your talking about?
Thanks,
Grrenhorn
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Post by excisac on Mar 15, 2011 22:56:04 GMT -5
I am not sure what a ML1 is worth but I recently saw one on a Canadian site with five modules and some other odds and ends for $325 Canadian dollars. I am not interested in it but if someone else feels it is worthwhile and wants to deal with the Canadian firearm laws and export from Canada/import to the US, PM me and I will send a link.
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Post by matthewj on Mar 16, 2011 10:46:09 GMT -5
The barrel shoots fine with 44 gr xmr5744 and a 300 gr .458 remington or hornady hp with a black crush ribbed sabot,but when you get the sabot/bullet almost to where it seats it has a very noticable loose spot for about an 1/8 to a 1/4 before the bullet seats on the powder charge, i' not talkin it just gets a little easier to push down it actuall feels like the sabot and bullet loose contact with the barrel then snugs up again, thats why i am suspecting it is bulged. I would rather err on the side of caution and not use it the way it is , i already have both a 40 and 45 pacnor barrelled mlII so it's not like i need to keep it a muzzleloader.
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Post by rossman40 on Mar 16, 2011 11:24:32 GMT -5
Your looking at about $25 for a stripped bolthead ($50 complete with extractor and ejector and all those little springs and pins), $7 for a firing pin ($20 for a complete firing pin assembly) and if you go to the smaller "magnum" firing pin you could add the matching bolt cross pin, probly $6-7. If your lazy or have a fear of small parts bouncing all around, a complete bolt for less then $100 (for some reason without ejector) from Midway.
It is actually a decent platform to build a economy bench rifle on. Throw you on a heavy barrel and put it in a decent stock and your in you have a start in the paper punching business. It is the only Model 10 (blued) that is a single shot IIRC. There were some SS model 12s made that were single shot.
The Muzzleloader classification or form 4473 exemption for the 10ML-I was only good till March 2001. I do not know what the hassle would be bringing a 10ML-I from Canada to the US. You would basiclly have to have a export license to get it out of Canada and a import license to get it into the US.
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