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Post by Richard on Mar 13, 2011 15:51:27 GMT -5
I was almost not going to put this stuff on the board from last Tuesdays shooting since most were caught up in following Deadeye's long range testing. Then I sent a member some results as he was interested in a particular powder and he encouraged me to just post it. So here it is for what its worth. Richard   |
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Post by Jon on Mar 13, 2011 16:16:19 GMT -5
Richard. Don't stop posting all info is good. Your's is so well formated and explained it makes it a lot easier for a newby to understand. I'm not putting down anyone's method The info is great I'm just saying in is easier for someone at the begining curve to understand. I'm not trying to step on any ones toes Just trying to explain how it is for me as a newby.
Jon
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Post by Savage Shooter on Mar 13, 2011 16:24:06 GMT -5
I appreciate seeing your loads posted, I benchmark them a lot as a benchmark. Having just started shooting the .45 it helps me a lot to see the different loads different shooters are testing and their results.
Any info you share good or bad will always be appreciated here.
Mark
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Post by deadon on Mar 13, 2011 16:36:04 GMT -5
Richard, as interesting as it is to see heavy bullets tested, some of us will never be able to even try those shoulder thumpers. You keep looking for that elusive bug hole group with the flat shooting bullets. Its gotta be out there somewhere  |
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Post by Jon on Mar 13, 2011 16:37:52 GMT -5
That is another good thing brought up you show the good the bad and the ugly which to me is very helpful.
Jon
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Post by shooter on Mar 13, 2011 16:48:56 GMT -5
I appreciate seeing your loads posted, I benchmark them a lot as a benchmark. Having just started shooting the .45 it helps me a lot to see the different loads different shooters are testing and their results. Any info you share good or bad will always be appreciated here. Mark +1 well said.  the main thing is it look like your having fun keep posting. |
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Post by 153 on Mar 13, 2011 17:02:29 GMT -5
Richard please keep posting your results. The groups you post this time are GREAT for a ML and good for a PacNor. My standards changed when I went from the stock Savage to the Pac45. I feel bad now when I shoot a 1.75" or larger THREE shot group, much less what my groups would average if I shot five shot groups such as you. Right now I still shoot the duplex RB gave me at 2600fps a little show but still minute of deer to 300 yards which is my benchmark. Still have not have time to shoot the bullets you down sized for me but when I do I will post the results.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2011 17:39:48 GMT -5
Thanks Richard for your extensive testing. Your single powder testing has kept me coming back.  ...If it's not too windy tomorrow I'm going to put some 50gn 4759, 60gn N120, 47gn N110 loads up for comparison against 62gn H4198. ...I'm looking to stay in the 2700-2800 range. Keep them a coming, there's always room for everybody.  Zen |
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Post by Savage Shooter on Mar 13, 2011 17:54:09 GMT -5
Thanks Richard for your extensive testing. Your single powder testing has kept me coming back. ...If it's not too windy tomorrow I'm going to put some 50gn 4759, 60gn N120, 47gn N110 loads up for comparison against 62gn H4198. ...I'm looking to stay in the 2700-2800 range. Keep them a coming, there's always room for everybody. Zen N120 next on my list too, let us know how it does. |
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Post by Richard on Mar 14, 2011 11:16:08 GMT -5
Thanks for the backing guys! Richard |
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Post by edge on Mar 14, 2011 11:48:38 GMT -5
Looks like 5 & 6 put ten shots into 1 1/2 inches!
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Post by deadeye on Mar 14, 2011 12:05:00 GMT -5
Looks like 5 & 6 put ten shots into 1 1/2 inches! edge. edge +1, i enjoy & benefit from the data also. i now wonder if your bp has not been drilled for a long time,this could possibly change some of these groups |
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Post by jeremylong on Mar 14, 2011 13:21:04 GMT -5
Hey Richard - What is your thoughts on that group #3? I find it interesting. Was a killer ant running across the paper and you were trying to kill it or what?
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Post by spoonover on Mar 14, 2011 13:49:03 GMT -5
Tried 4759/H322 Havester blue sabot SST200 grain, as said and ended with 15/55.
The groups were to my liking so I will visit combo another day. I am not to the point to use the Crony yet, but am getting close.
Thanks for the help!
# eight target, I did not know 4759 had that much energy in it and still keep sabot intact, what a promising singal.
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Post by Richard on Mar 14, 2011 16:47:25 GMT -5
Deadeye........First of all, the BP is recessed about 1/2". I always keep the primer end drilled out so I am not crushing the primer. Like Edge, I have been staying away from drilling the channel from the primer pocket to the vent liner. It only carbons up with a few shots and never seems to close up? Much like the vent liner. Just a word to the wise........................ If your primer pocket on the BP gets too filled up with carbon and it causes hard bolt closing? BEWARE! If you force the bolt closed? You might find the rifle discharging very unexpectedly! I happened to me and it happened to Herman. What you are doing is crushing the primer. Being a bench rest shooter, I am always closing the bolt while the gun is in the rest facing downrange.......but it sure "gets your attention real quick!" Jeremy........Have not a clue on that group. Definitely not the wind? Funny, how one and two came in from the right, then skipped a space or three, the four and five headed back to the right? Dang ML's ;D And, if it was me, or my setup, then the other groups would have done the same thing? I am going to try some 50 gr. single N-110 powder tomorrow (if it does not rain  ) with the 200 FTX sabot less. I had shot 50 and 55 gr. saboted but the groups were not that good. The sharp pressure spike however, might be what sabot less needs to obturate the bullet? In looking at the base of these 200 FTX's, they are very rounded. I would think a flatter base like the XTP's would be better for sealing the gas? Now if I only had a collet chuck with a clutch on my lathe, it would make flattening those bases a breeze ;D I may face off five and see how they compare. Edge.........your right! A good case for same POI for two different configuration bullets Richard |
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Post by deadon on Mar 14, 2011 16:52:00 GMT -5
Deadeye........First of all, the BP is recessed about 1/2". I always keep the primer end drilled out so I am not crushing the primer. Like Edge, I have been staying away from drilling the channel from the primer pocket to the vent liner. It only carbons up with a few shots and never seems to close up? Much like the vent liner. Just a word to the wise........................ If your primer pocket on the BP gets too filled up with carbon and it causes hard bolt closing? BEWARE! If you force the bolt closed? You might find the rifle discharging very unexpectedly! I happened to me and it happened to Herman. What you are doing is crushing the primer. Being a bench rest shooter, I am always closing the bolt while the gun is in the rest facing downrange.......but it sure "gets your attention real quick!" Jeremy........Have not a clue on that group. Definitely not the wind? Funny, how one and two came in from the right, then skipped a space or three, the four and five headed back to the right? Dang ML's ;D And, if it was me, or my setup, then the other groups would have done the same thing? I am going to try some 50 gr. single N-110 powder tomorrow (if it does not rain ) with the 200 FTX sabot less. I had shot 50 and 55 gr. saboted but the groups were not that good. The sharp pressure spike however, might be what sabot less needs to obturate the bullet? In looking at the base of these 200 FTX's, they are very rounded. I would think a flatter base like the XTP's would be better for sealing the gas? Now if I only had a collet chuck with a clutch on my lathe, it would make flattening those bases a breeze ;D I may face off five and see how they compare. Edge.........your right! A good case for same POI for two different configuration bullets Richard Richard, What do you think of the 232 gr bullet? It is a 9.3mm but it is also a rifle bullet IIRC so terminal performance should be good. Just wondering, Rusty |
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Post by Richard on Mar 14, 2011 19:43:47 GMT -5
Rusty...........9.3 mm is .366". Unless you have a sabot that can hold it, it is no good to you. I think you must have been reading the post titled: "Almost there with Jims 375" That is not a .45. It is a .375 cal. barrel.
Richard
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Post by deadon on Mar 14, 2011 19:48:29 GMT -5
Rusty...........9.3 mm is .366". Unless you have a sabot that can hold it, it is no good to you. I think you must have been reading the post titled: "Almost there with Jims 375" That is not a .45. It is a .375 cal. barrel. Richard Your right, I am always behind Was wondering how they could knurl it that big. |
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Post by Jon on Mar 14, 2011 21:10:17 GMT -5
Richard good thing you shoot off a sled. If you were shooting off bags I would think a surprise discharge could hurt. I like you only prime and close the bolt after I'm pointed down range and in the rest. That is a good safety point you brought up. Do you find the recessed plug doesn't carbon up as fast with the shorter flame channel?
Jon
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Post by ET on Mar 15, 2011 6:31:22 GMT -5
Richard
Good point about the primer going off in a hard closing bolt condition. I found that out too when I decided to assist the bolt closure with a little shove one time. Since that incident that happened a while ago more attention was given to BP cleaning and it never happened again.
No lead sled here, just support with my left hand on the stock and right hand on the bolt. Same deal also with the 10ML-II pointing down range. It does give you a rude awakening.
Ed
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Post by deadeye on Mar 15, 2011 9:31:05 GMT -5
Richard good thing you shoot off a sled. If you were shooting off bags I would think a surprise discharge could hurt. I like you only prime and close the bolt after I'm pointed down range and in the rest. That is a good safety point you brought up. Do you find the recessed plug doesn't carbon up as fast with the shorter flame channel? Jon jon,i'm not richard but i shoot a deep recessed plug much like his. in my findings with the powders & loads i use,most of the time my recessed plugs build -up(flame channel) much less quickly,however at times i have seen them build fast also. a good rule i use for accuracy purposes is when the flame channel is approx 1/3 of the original it is time to clean. i have found over time & time again with my 60/n120/bo,& the parker 275be's-that accuracy usually keeps getting better as the plugs build & when it gets too small sometime down the line your accuracy-well lets say you think your scope is blown,not hijacking just providing info |
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Post by tar12 on Mar 15, 2011 17:07:22 GMT -5
"I was almost not going to put this stuff on the board from last Tuesdays shooting since most were caught up in following Deadeye's long range testing. Then I sent a member some results as he was interested in a particular powder and he encouraged me to just post it. So here it is for what its worth."
This has to be the funniest start to any thread I have read on this board! ;D I am glad you boys let Richard back into the sand box to play!
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Post by Jon on Mar 15, 2011 19:17:00 GMT -5
Deadeye. Thanks for the info. I also shoot a recessed plug. I have a couple of RB's recessed with vents.
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Post by Richard on Mar 15, 2011 20:50:51 GMT -5
Jon.........I have been shooting a recessed breech plug practically from the time I started shooting the MLII so I really do not have any comparisons. After every outing, which is about 30 to 40 shots, I run the drill bit into the primer pocket to keep the carbon at bay. I must say, it has been about 150 rounds or more since I put a drill all the way thru to the vent liner. It seems the hole size remains the same............at least to my eye? When I do clean it, I just run a 1/8th bit thru.
Richard
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Post by Jon on Mar 15, 2011 23:08:58 GMT -5
Thank you Richard That is what I was hoping to hear.
Jon
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the main thing is it look like your having fun keep posting.
...If it's not too windy tomorrow I'm going to put some 50gn 4759, 60gn N120, 47gn N110 loads up for comparison against 62gn H4198. ...I'm looking to stay in the 2700-2800 range. Keep them a coming, there's always room for everybody. 
) with the 200 FTX sabot less. I had shot 50 and 55 gr. saboted but the groups were not that good. The sharp pressure spike however, might be what sabot less needs to obturate the bullet? In looking at the base of these 200 FTX's, they are very rounded. I would think a flatter base like the XTP's would be better for sealing the gas? Now if I only had a collet chuck with a clutch on my lathe, it would make flattening those bases a breeze ;D I may face off five and see how they compare.