mz .5moa potential

[shooter]

Mar 8, 2011 15:13:47 GMT -5 bigmoose said:

Deadeye,

And it wasn't easy, Edge already accussed of faking it, at the range one day, one of the range officiers pointed me out and told the story, he watched me do it twice, some clown came up to me, and said it had to be a trick, I agreed and told him to run along, finally, I asked him which vehicle was his, I than pointed to mine, I said I'll be back in one hour with the title you do the same, the bet will be I get five shots to hit the dime, [ it has never taken me the full five shots] I win I get your car you win you get mine, and since you say it can't be done, you can't lose. He walked away, I was a most happy fellow, I really
like my car. All it took is an off day and I'd be walking.

Look like to me you could start a car lot.

[deadeye]

adding this to this thread since it definetly will aid in accuracy etc. imo

just received my "swinglock" .45 smooth adjustable die-appears very high quality & will be very easy to use. this should be well worth the $158 since it is versatile to change easily per bullet diameter needed.will run some down smooth t-morrow & hopefully set up some contraption to catch a few bullets to check obturation engraving out.

looking at this die i would think there is no excuse if a person wanted to shoot sabotless without the hassel that wasn't bad to begin with.

i'm impressed!

[Richard]

Funny, I just received an e-mail from one of our members................;
Hi Richard....I 'm waiting for deadeye's reply. I couldn't agree more with you concerning his style of target display. Hard to figure out what's what! His setup just doesn't look solid enough to me. If I was shooting .5 moa groups.....I sure wouldn't be throwing away the targets!
Richard

[deadeye]

Mar 8, 2011 21:11:23 GMT -5 Richard said:

Funny, I just received an e-mail from one of our members................;
Hi Richard....I 'm waiting for deadeye's reply. I couldn't agree more with you concerning his style of target display. Hard to figure out what's what! His setup just doesn't look solid enough to me. If I was shooting .5 moa groups.....I sure wouldn't be throwing away the targets!
Richard

imo you are only good as the shot & group you are currently delivering.

if you dont like my display-dont click on my thread-its that eazy

i now have to wonder why you do

[deadeye]

Mar 8, 2011 10:27:40 GMT -5 rossman40 said:

Being able to "call your shot" is a skill that is perhaps more old school when you do not shoot off a fancy rest and in various non supported positions. It boils down to what was your sight picture at the time of the shot. It might not have as much weight when shooting from a lead sled but when shooting offhand (unsupported) only the shooter knows his sight picture and his form when the shot broke.

rossman-i agree with you but i might be an exception to the rule. when i owned my archery pro-shop while training shooters for the state championships indoor 20yd. to get scores up with a" 300" 60x being the perfect score. we had to train them to shoot for the center of the x- ring not just at the x-ring which involved scopes etc to be able to compete at the state level in which a few i coached did very well.

so when i make a call even while on the bench say @ 100yds w/ a certain set-up on a target,usually i have a crosshair on the dead-center with 4 peice's of pie(so to speak) around the crosshair within the usually a 1 inch center. one of those pie's ;D enlarge you have manipulated the rifle through the "squeeze"

the other set-up i use is draw a dot per crosshair to fit approx perfectly & actually cannot see the dot or exact center, if you do again the rifle has been manipulated by shooter error. sometimes i guess what i'm saying a 5''00 call might just be within the 1 '' center but approx 1/2''off exact center. very tough to do but this is how i go about it. but i have always been "far-sighted" ;D

[bigmoose]

WOW

[deadeye]

davew very nice shooting & thx for the "stand-up"!

my presentation is not the best but i will try to do better. i just learned how to post to photobucket & such not long ago & quite frankly really dont have much time to research & be decent at everything. i really suck at putting into words what i'm trying to point out. now you know what my wife has to put up with being a "history & english teacher" ;D

after starting the 325be venture in jan in which i thought would be a 2 week adventure. all heck broke loose
i now had 2 serious family "crisis" going on along with snowstorm,icestorms & flooding & our county is still declared state of emergency along with computers crashing etc,etc,etc. i am a self-employed insurance agent. now you see not much time to deal with everthing in all.
one might ask-then why were you out shooting & such in stressful times like this. well had to do something to keep my sanity so i use this "board" & shooting to unwind.
with no one available to help i often was forced to race here,race there etc. the last episode at 650yds included me walking 3/4 mile after delivering atv to my intended targets back to my truck etc & reversing order when done. at the same time temp's were rising fast melting snow & had to get my shots etc off fast & get off the field before rutting them up. while shooting from a truckbed just right off road sometimes standing in 4'' of water,trying to get a rest somewhat secure on a warping peice of plywood etc.
its no excuse but i will not complain.

in starting this thread which was not "digs"" taunting" or anything like that i was hoping someone that really wanted to shoot 5 shot- 1/2'' groups & such in which i know is doable w/ mz would take the lead & pursue it. i offered a direction* as that is not what i'm trying to accomplish right now. i have thrown many targets in the past 2 years with 3,5,8shot groups that were very near if not 1/2''. again that was not my goal but load developing for long range which does not always require 5 shots @ every distance.

i will state once again i did not come here to be looked up to or down to. imo we are all on the same side of the fence. just keepin it "real" & positive.

when someone does start posting those "elusive" .5 & we might even see .3 or a true 1-holer,it would make me smile internally!

[mike3132]

Post your targets the way you want and how you want. No set rules on target posting here that I know of. I personally don't care for multiple targets and diagrams in one post. I find it confusing at times to say the least, but hey thats me. Mike

[Jon]

I for one appreciate the work you and everyone else put in to what you're doing. And I really thank you for taking the time and effort to post pictures. I probably appreciate it more than most since I'm just now able to get a photo bucket account but have not the slightest idea how to post a picture. But I will say it helps if some one says they shoot a 5 shot group all touching but if they are stringing that could be a 1'5 in. group. If they say they shot a 5shot clover leaf target that could be covered with a quarter I would understand that. On the next side if some one shows a picture of a 5 shot group All touching in a clover leaf and it is marked as 500 yards I'm impressed. But in honesty who is to say it wasn't shot at 25 yards. No I'm not accusing any one. I'm just saying that we have a bunch of what I consider Honorable people on this board. Why should I feel any drought or have any right to challenge anything stated or shown. I'm just looking to learn not try to figure who is the best. There are too many variables. If some one shot a 2in. 100 yard group but it was off a card table in a poring down rain with a 40 mile per hr. gusting wind I would be very impressed. I'm just trying to keep peace so I can keep learning. Sorry to hijack this post. I just don't want to see them stop. Lets all just get along and be able to learn from each other that is why smokeless m/z's are starting to threating c/f accuracy. I'm impressed. Keep up the great work all. If not for you guys we would all be shooting b/p. Or going to the range with a box of bullets and shooting holes in paper
Jon

[deadon]

Keep up the good work deadeye, there are a lot of us looking and listening but not talking Rusty

[Savage Shooter]

I have always thought that the shooter should be able to document and post in any format that they either, know how to or are comfortable representing. It does not have to be spelled correctly, or in any specific format, heck get it out there and if I don't understand something I can ask.

If I am reading thru a post and want to call BS in my mind that is exactly were it needs to stay. Just because a setup has not worked for me does not mean it has not for someone else.

One of the great things about reading and absorbing what others are doing is I have absolute control over what I think is relevant to helping me. In other words kinda like watching TV,,,,if I don't like the channel I can change stations.

If a post does not suit me or match how I would done or include something useful that can help me I just change channels, its that simple.

This Board has some of the most knowledgeable minds there are anywhere bar none. It has always been a professional and courteous place to learn.

Everyone can learn something from anyone on here. I too do not appreciate negative comments or calling out of another member, especially in a public setting. If you have that bad of heartburn over something you think is just not right a PM would a much better format for these type discussions.

I for one certainly do not want to see a forum where newbies and/or old timers alike are afraid to post their results due to seeing others taking pot shots at them. Heck he might be posting something that may help me.

I was just raised to believe that the criticism best received is that which was asked for. On the other hand if you don't want to deal with the answer don't ask the question.

IMO, unless it is thought or known to be dangerous anything goes.

MHO and worth exactly what you paid for it. ;D

[Richard]

Deadeye...............My apologies I should have kept my big mouth shut I tend to be a "Doubting Thomas" after all my years in police work I see where you are coming from and your effort.
Richard

[deadeye]

Mar 10, 2011 19:49:53 GMT -5 Richard said:

Deadeye...............My apologies I should have kept my big mouth shut I tend to be a "Doubting Thomas" after all my years in police work I see where you are coming from and your effort.
Richard

richard -nothing personal-just shoot some of those 275be's with whatever rest you use & post some awesome groups.

i dont look in the rear view mirror!

for a humor moment-at least you didnt flag me for not having a "chamber flag" in while unattended & the target being upside down. ;D

lets move >>>>>>>>>>& do some more shooting

[DBinNY]

Glad you boys cleared that up. Ozark was probably fixin to take a switch to ya ;D.

[Dave W]

Two wrongs don't make a right and I am as guilty as the person I lashed out at.

Again I apologize to all the members for my ugly rant.


Kettle meet pot. Gotta love irony.

[Savage Shooter]

Two thumbs up, thanks guys for clearing this up.

[deadeye]

Mar 10, 2011 13:06:37 GMT -5 Jon said:

I for one appreciate the work you and everyone else put in to what you're doing. And I really thank you for taking the time and effort to post pictures. I probably appreciate it more than most since I'm just now able to get a photo bucket account but have not the slightest idea how to post a picture. But I will say it helps if some one says they shoot a 5 shot group all touching but if they are stringing that could be a 1'5 in. group. If they say they shot a 5shot clover leaf target that could be covered with a quarter I would understand that. On the next side if some one shows a picture of a 5 shot group All touching in a clover leaf and it is marked as 500 yards I'm impressed. But in honesty who is to say it wasn't shot at 25 yards. No I'm not accusing any one. I'm just saying that we have a bunch of what I consider Honorable people on this board. Why should I feel any drought or have any right to challenge anything stated or shown. I'm just looking to learn not try to figure who is the best. There are too many variables. If some one shot a 2in. 100 yard group but it was off a card table in a poring down rain with a 40 mile per hr. gusting wind I would be very impressed. I'm just trying to keep peace so I can keep learning. Sorry to hijack this post. I just don't want to see them stop. Lets all just get along and be able to learn from each other that is why smokeless m/z's are starting to threating c/f accuracy. I'm impressed. Keep up the great work all. If not for you guys we would all be shooting b/p. Or going to the range with a box of bullets and shooting holes in paper
Jon

jon-to clarify-the 500yd clover with a face w/mouth duct-taped/lol was a return joke to richard joke's about doing it on the 20yd(i'm a poor artist also), it was @ 100yds. it has been reported somewhere somebody shot a 5 shot- 1'' er @ 500yd,i''ll be happy with a 3''@500

deadon-got a chuckle from you-just hope we did not run off everyone to the back porch !

[bigmoose]

When someone says to me a group I shot couldn't be done witha muzzleloader, I smile and say, you caught me partner.
If I shoot a one hole 5 shoot group I would not only save it I'd frame it, and put it up on the wall in my den, If a gent question it I'd just smile,..... it would please me, and in the end thats all that counts

[bigmoose]

One last note, I'm a neat freak, change my targets after 3 shoots, save the excellent ones, quickly destroy the poor ones.
As for duck tape, Brother Rick loved the stuff, and used it on targets he sent me, all his packages that we sent back and forth were duck taped, I use it to form my penetration blocks, but my target are as pure as the driven snow.....bad ones.....we got no stinkin bad ones.

[Jon]

I'm sorry for interfering. I really don't have a horse in this race other than I want to learn all I can. I just hate to see negativity from such a great and knowledgeable group of people. Sorry for interfering just keep up the great work all.
Jon

[Richard]

I guess for me, 3" five shot groups at 300 yds. are what I am looking for. If I can ever get with this doctor from my church to shoot on his air strip, I might be inclined to throw a few shots downrange at 500 or 600 yards to see what I can do
Sorry I caused a dust up
Richard

[bigmoose]

Richard,

Wish I could say I'm looking for a 3 inch group at 300 yards, I got a feeling I'd be doing a lot of looking, till I ran out of bullets.
What make me smile is a 5 shot group, offhand w/sticks at 100 years maybe a loooooong time ago 3" at 300 would be pssible.....maybeeeeee

[chuck41]

Never bet against the bigmoose!

[Jon]

I envy anyone that has avaliablity of a range of more than 100 yrds even semi close to them.
Richard I bet you would have a ball shooting on a runway that would seem to be an ideal range.
Jon