j1r11
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Post by j1r11 on Mar 1, 2011 0:49:29 GMT -5
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Post by GMB54-120 on Mar 1, 2011 9:34:46 GMT -5
Ive heard of it before but im not sure how he can do it without sending in the barreled action.
$75 for just modding a breach plug and there is still a possibility its no better is a pretty big chance IMO. The procedure is/was listed in the "how to" section here and after reading it i doubt he can do it without the barreled action.
I could be wrong and if i am, i would like to know how it can be done without the action.
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Post by edge on Mar 1, 2011 10:32:17 GMT -5
This implies that they are all spaced the same.
If I made them on CNC equipment, then they would be same but I do not know that Savage made them this way.
A long time ago I modified a plug for use in a ML1 by adding a bushing to the snout. I assume that is what they are doing but have not heard of anyone having this done by PR.
edge.
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Post by j1r11 on Mar 1, 2011 12:41:42 GMT -5
I always wondered why my primers look like that. They used to stick, but recently they have not been.
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Post by DBinNY on Mar 1, 2011 20:47:00 GMT -5
I always wondered why my primers look like that. They used to stick, but recently they have not been. I'm wondering if you are building a little carbon in the primer pocket under the primer and the thing is essentially headspacing itself?  |
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Post by j1r11 on Mar 1, 2011 21:51:45 GMT -5
I always wondered why my primers look like that. They used to stick, but recently they have not been. I'm wondering if you are building a little carbon in the primer pocket under the primer and the thing is essentially headspacing itself? My uncle's look like that also and neither of us have more than 50 shots through either rifle, but i will look at that. Last time i cleaned it, i did not notice anything there. |
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Post by Richard on Mar 2, 2011 14:45:31 GMT -5
It would be interesting if someone here with "deep pockets" would get this done so we all could share the information. "IF" in fact it works, it might be able to be done more economically?
Richard
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Post by j1r11 on Mar 2, 2011 17:46:23 GMT -5
It would be interesting if someone here with "deep pockets" would get this done so we all could share the information. "IF" in fact it works, it might be able to be done more economically? Richard I agree. I think $75 is a bit steep. But is this even a "issue" other than being annoying that the primer don't come out easily? This is not a safety issue with the primers backing out a bit is it? |
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Post by Jon on Mar 2, 2011 21:30:01 GMT -5
When I originally got my first Savage ml I had that problem had to re-cock and dry fire. But after a while it went away and have not had a problem since. But it seems like a high price to modify a plug if they already have the specs. why not just sell a new plug?
Jon
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Post by Richard on Mar 3, 2011 15:14:46 GMT -5
Look, with all the shooting I do, out of maybe 35 to 40 shots each week, I only get one or two that give me trouble coming out! With the thumb screw, I just unscrew by hand, release the bolt and tap the primer on the edge of my sled; it easily pops off  Of course, if you have the stock Savage screw set up, it becomes a PITA ;D Richard |
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Post by boarhog on Mar 4, 2011 18:28:42 GMT -5
I'll never own another Savage ML without the hi tech thumb screw!
Boarhog
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Post by tar12 on Mar 4, 2011 20:36:36 GMT -5
I'll never own another Savage ML without the hi tech thumb screw! Boarhog That why the ML-1 build is so appealing to me. You do not even have the hassle of retro fitting a quick relase screw. |
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Post by fishhawk on Mar 4, 2011 21:21:27 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't dealt with this problem, but primers stuck in the bolt face are caused by the actual primer backing out of it's mounting cup. The only way I can see this can happen is if the cups flange is too close or against the front edge of the bolt slot when the bolt is closed. The primer bulges or pushes back out of the cup when the limited by ventliner pressure from shooting reaches the primer. I only see three things that can cause this, #1 too much pressure reaching the primer from a worn out ventliner. #2, too large of a hole in the primer pocket of the breechplug allowing the primer cup step to sit an inconsistent depth in the pocket allowing it to go deeper sometimes. #3 (the main reason) too much headspace that could be corrected by a barrel depth adjustment. If the headspace is tight enough the primer cup will be forced by the primer pocket closer to the boltface moving the cups flange back from the forward lip so that it can only bulge or slide the actual center or the primer to the boltface. When the bolt is open the primer cup can move forward till the flange reaches the front of the bolts primer slot which will move the primer center away from the bolt face to free it up. The only problems with moving the barrel back would be barrel with open sights, or owners worried about cosmetics of having sight screw holes off center.
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Post by Jon on Mar 5, 2011 2:08:03 GMT -5
Tar 12. that plus you get a little more metal at the barrel threads.
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Post by DBinNY on Mar 5, 2011 8:35:06 GMT -5
The only problems with moving the barrel back would be barrel with open sights, or owners worried about cosmetics of having sight screw holes off center. ... and the ramrod thimble my look a little strange not centered! |
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Post by j1r11 on Mar 5, 2011 10:06:03 GMT -5
The only problems with moving the barrel back would be barrel with open sights, or owners worried about cosmetics of having sight screw holes off center. ... and the ramrod thimble my look a little strange not centered! He actually mentioned that to me in a PM. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2011 10:32:26 GMT -5
you can always put a ramrod tube in. and most take off the sights anyway
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Post by Jon on Mar 5, 2011 14:52:34 GMT -5
Has anyone got in touch with them and asked how they ar doing it? To my limited knowledge the big advantage to the savage that as long as you don't have to worry about sighs and thimbles it is easy to head space using the barrel threads? It would be interesting to find out how they are doing it or is it a secret?
Jon
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Of course, if you have the stock Savage screw set up, it becomes a PITA ;D