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Post by jims on Feb 23, 2011 20:35:55 GMT -5
As I have mentioned I am working on getting a .45 barrel. It would shoot 195 and 200 grain almost exclusively in 40s with sabots, probably few sabotsless .45s if at all.
If you could get any twist at all from 1 in 10 to 1 in 32 what would be the best. Also 4 or 6 or 8 groove and cut or button rifling and why to all. Also barrel length and contour. This would be a stainless barrel to go on the Savage MLII. This would not be carried in the field but would be in a fixed stand.
Thanks, hopefully this will give me something to think (or drink) about.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2011 22:11:02 GMT -5
jims,the dd pacnor works awfully well for a lot of guys here. the 22 twist seems about perfect for the 195s and 200 ssts. I think for all practical purposes a buttoned barrel works great in the .45 . as far as 6 or 8 groove I think the verdict is still out. my 6 groove pacnor shoots awfully well..... i am in the process of building 3 -700ml rems and they will have 8 groove barrels from mcgowen so we will know soon.. my savage is a 28" and is a boat anchor but I dont regret the extra length. it is mainly a stand gun and works well for that purpose. some smi barrels have a 32" twist and still shoot well so I dont see any advantage with anything faster than 22 and for a savage the dd profile is good, heavy enough to flute if you want and still not huge....would be hard to top it I think....Bill
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Post by KerryB on Feb 25, 2011 8:19:30 GMT -5
I currently own a Shilen 20 twist and a Pacnor 22 twist and they both shoot so well that i can't imagine risking/wasting money experimenting with any other brands or twists. Sorta like trying to re-invent the wheel.......it's already been done. I don't think much if any extra accuracy will be possible just by going with a different barrel maker, twist rate, groove number, groove depth, barrel length, contour, etc. I believe experimentation with bullets, sabots, powders, and primers is where extra accuracy potential can be squeezed out of a rifle at this point in .45 development. Of course i am always happy to see guys spend big bucks trying out all of the different barrel manufacturers too. You just might find a barrel that can accomplish that extra fraction of an inch of accuracy........or you just might get one that won't shoot worth a darn! For my money, i would stick with what is already proven. JMHO though..........KerryB
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Post by tar12 on Feb 25, 2011 8:36:44 GMT -5
Kerry,
While the Pac-Nor is proven now, at one point in time it was just as unproven as any other barrel manufacturer. I had not even heard of Pac-Nor until DaveD brought them on board. Just as I had not heard of Savage-Barrels.If nothing is ventured, nothing is gained. I also feel that ANY non-chattered up barrel is going to be a HUGE improvement!I personally think it is a good thing to have options. Now that Savage has ceased production this is even more important from my view.BTW,glad to see you back to posting!
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Post by smokeless77 on Feb 25, 2011 11:06:25 GMT -5
What if the McGowen shoots every bit as good as a Pacnor look at the money you will save.
That is like saying don't buy a krieger, lilja hart or any other barrel other than a P/N and as for the "Big" bucks my krieger in a 45 cal.was $456.00 threaded for tenon and B/P. So how much more was it then a P/N? JMO
John
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Post by KerryB on Feb 25, 2011 11:09:54 GMT -5
I should be from Missouri! Show me! Show me a barrel that shoots as well as what we already have and costs less. Show me and i just might buy one myself. Did i say..............show me!  ;D |
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Post by smokeless77 on Feb 25, 2011 18:43:04 GMT -5
Kerry, Maybe in a couple of weeks someone on this board might just do that. |
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Post by Richard on Feb 25, 2011 19:32:39 GMT -5
I too believe that any number of custom barrel makers could produce a barrel that will shoot just as good as a Pac-Nor. It just so happened that dave d got hooked up with them and they were good enough to provide what we needed........and they do shoot well. I will expect an experienced barrel maker like McGowan will produce a tube that will shoot as good as PN's. Savage is missing the boat by not producing a GOOD barreled .45 MLII..........even at a $100 or so more.
Richard
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Post by spoonover on Feb 25, 2011 19:44:18 GMT -5
I remember the days when Pacnor was said to be an inferior barrel on the varmint forums.
Thanks to much testing on our forum and others like this one we can buy known products that work.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 19:54:52 GMT -5
I agree Richard, guess we will never find out. after dismanteling three rem 700 ml actions and getting them ready to send to mcgowen i am not so sure that they will not be a better alternative than the savage. the factory triggers adjusted down to bout 2 1/2 lbs each with no creep and I like the way the bolt works better (smoother). now if they will just shoot as well I will be a happy camper.. lets see 250.00 for stainless 700 360.00 for stainless/fluted/blasted barrel w/11 degree crown, fitted to the action/ also blasted to match 30.00 for a savage plug 30.00 for a callahan machined lug 180.00 for a knox axiom stock 60.00 for bdl bottom metal 10.00 for bdl screws 85.00 hunters nose kit _______ 1005.00 not too bad for a custom build...Of course if I add a trigger and a Farrell base it puts it at well over a grand but I have considerably more than that in my boat anchor:::: now if these will only shoot as well.......Bill  |
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Post by jims on Feb 26, 2011 20:42:30 GMT -5
I am getting ready in the next several days to pull the trigger and finalize what I am going to get. If you have any ideas and why now is the time to volunteer the same.
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Post by Richard on Feb 26, 2011 20:58:21 GMT -5
Hillbill.................You can save yourself $30 and eliminate the "fancy-dancy" recoil lug ;D ;D
Richard
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Post by DBinNY on Feb 26, 2011 21:10:25 GMT -5
Richard, have you seen the stock recoil lug on the 700ML? It's not a pretty thing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2011 22:02:47 GMT -5
wouldnt mind at all Rich but its a double square lug and would be a pia to get out of the stock when i bed it and you of all people know that a new build just has to have a machined lug.....Bill
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Post by KerryB on Feb 28, 2011 8:22:03 GMT -5
I have no doubt that there are many, many barrel manufacturers out there that can duplicate or even surpass the quality and accuracy of the Pacnor barrels. There probably aren't near as many though that can do so for less money. If you do find one that can do so for less money, then that is great for you and the rest of the guys buying new barrels. I just don't want to be the guy spending my money sorting through all of the possibilities when there is already a proven barrel available. I'm still waiting and watching though................somebody show me! I would really like to own a Hart, Lilja, Krieger, Border, etc, for less money than a Pacnor.......and if someone can work out that deal, i'll jump right on it!  KerryB |
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