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Post by birddog1 on Feb 24, 2011 16:52:11 GMT -5
Thank you gentlemen for your feed back I am going to try the Thor bullets in my PH here when the wind quits blowing at 25 mph with gusts to 40 :-( Frontiergander what size Thor did you end up using .501 to .505 ? And I might mention that I will try to get as close as possible when I shoot my elk and try to keep it under 150 yds max.
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Feb 24, 2011 20:49:47 GMT -5
Sabotloader,
You can always disagree with anyone you want here. And you have. that's fine. Global moderator does not equal expert on this board.
I will say that you may be a bit overwhelmed by your own experiences. I am as well. I have put 4000 FPE behind the shoulder of several whitetails only to have them do a death run of 50-100 yds. These experiences have taught me much. Bleeding kills....not FPE. Sure you need enough energy to make the bullet penetrate, but once it has, the wound it created, and the life lines severed, seems to dictate death. No magic in the FPE department. 50 FPE with an arrow is all it takes for full penetration on large animals hit in the "soft" spots. Then, bleeding takes over and animals hit well rarely go very far.
A) FPE is a marginal indicator to calculate lethality B) Perforating the vitals is a major factor in making things die quickly C) Bleeding profusely ensures quick deaths...arrows with under 50 FPE does a great job D) Good sized holes all the way through game, in the right place, are lethal every time.
Don'y worry about disagreements here as long as the sarcasm is minimized and the facts are there. Everybody listens and has a mind of their own.
If I ever hunted elk I would not feel one bit under gunned with a 250 TMZ exiting at 2,800 fps out to 200 yds.
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Post by GMB54-120 on Feb 24, 2011 22:07:40 GMT -5
birddog1
If your Pro hunter has the QLA it might not care for many full bore options. Some do and some don't. Also if you want to try the Thors, they do offer a 300gr for less than the 250gr. You may want to try each and see which one shoots the best in your gun.
Ive shot quite a few 50cal bullets but in 54x50 sabots and ive found any 50cal under about 300gr sheds fps fast. Oddly one of my favorites was the Barnes 50-275gr XPBs. The ballistic tip on the 50cal Thor might help but its still going to drop faster and probably penetrate less than a tipped copper 45cal 250gr.
Im also assuming you are shooting subs and not smokeless. At SML speeds i wouldn't mind a good shooting 45cal 250gr TEZ or even an Expander MZ. It might not be my first choice but im sure it would do the job.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 11:05:47 GMT -5
WOW!!! Ya'll are something else !!! I'm going back to the smokeless board.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 19:36:15 GMT -5
Thank you gentlemen for your feed back I am going to try the Thor bullets in my PH here when the wind quits blowing at 25 mph with gusts to 40 :-( Frontiergander what size Thor did you end up using .501 to .505 ? And I might mention that I will try to get as close as possible when I shoot my elk and try to keep it under 150 yds max. Birddog 1 In my CVA's i use the .500" Thor. They load with thumb pressure. Your TC most likely will take the .501-.502" Thor. Email and request the sizing sample first, its free of charge.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 19:39:33 GMT -5
That free replacement doesn't help much when you are in the field and the bullets wont fit your rifle. As a hunter, you ALWAYS check your gear before heading out. Heck ive gone out hunting before and realized i'd forgotten my primers! ;D
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Post by GMB54-120 on Feb 27, 2011 19:44:30 GMT -5
That free replacement doesn't help much when you are in the field and the bullets wont fit your rifle. As a hunter, you ALWAYS check your gear before heading out. Heck ive gone out hunting before and realized i'd forgotten my primers! ;D You know good and well that wasn't the situation. He had 2 packages and both had the same labeled size. He tried out the first package without an issue. He took the other package with him on the hunt which was a long ways from home. frontiermuzzleloadin.powerguild.net/t1504-extremely-disappointed-in-thorsThanks for playing and please stop trying to lie.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 20:55:11 GMT -5
GM dont ever accuse me of lying, that seriously has my blood boiling.
From what i understand, he had them well before his hunt and didnt double check to make sure they fit.
Its also the Optima Pro which has the tighter .499" barrel which will be VERY sensitive with an All Copper bullet thats just slightly over .500"
If they were marked incorrectly, it happens.
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Post by GMB54-120 on Feb 27, 2011 22:36:29 GMT -5
Sounds like an Accura to me.
I guess when its one of your sponsors the reply is, "it happens" but when its not a sponsor well...its not so easily ignored by you. Im sure that is comforting to the member of YOUR forum.
Get mad all you like, im sorry if the truth offends you.
Just to stay on topic, i guess the lesson is: If you are going to use a Thor then you better double check each of them with a mic and maybe even run them all the way through the bore or it could cost you a hunt or worse.
Thank you for the heads up on using them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 23:39:07 GMT -5
Hey GM if you have a problem with me being able to play with products and have my own forum guess what?
Suck it up
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Post by GMB54-120 on Feb 28, 2011 0:31:53 GMT -5
Still sounds like an Accura to me and you cant get your facts straight. And thanks for the heads up about the Thors. Without your site i would never have seen the guy who got some samples that were preloaded either. I will just avoid them unless i get them free in 45cal.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2011 1:48:33 GMT -5
What's the matter....Isn't Hunting.Net or MM big enough for you guys to fight it out ....Take it back there. Zen
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Feb 28, 2011 6:14:33 GMT -5
My suggestion would be for you guys to fight this out with PM's.....no need to both keep going and going in front of a crowd....
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