floyd
Button Buck
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Post by floyd on Feb 10, 2011 17:55:38 GMT -5
Has anyone found a 250 gr non-hollow point bullet that shoots well? I've been using hornady xpts which shoot well but tend to blow the deer to pieces ruining much meat. Has anyone found something a little less destructive? I'm using the mmp short black sabot in a .50 caliber non modified 10 ml with the recommended powders.
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Feb 10, 2011 18:20:18 GMT -5
If you are not shooting too fast try a hardcast...or try a 250 copper
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Post by dannoboone on Feb 10, 2011 19:03:45 GMT -5
Floyd, just guessing but are you asking about non-hollow points
because of the tissue destruction caused by the XTP?
If so, the Barnes bullets (which are hollow point and tipped hollow
point) hold together and cause very little damage (comparatively)
to surrounding tissue. XTP's should probably limited to lung
shots only. The 245gr Barnes Spitfire is a real good bullet, either
close or at distance.
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nic58
8 Pointer
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Post by nic58 on Feb 10, 2011 19:19:01 GMT -5
Try a Hornady 250 gr. SST or T/C Shockwave.....essentially the same bullet. They've shot well for me in the past. Or another option is the T/C Bonded Shockwave. I personally use the 300 gr. SST's. All of these I use in a Harvester short black sabot.
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dcon
Spike
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Post by dcon on Feb 10, 2011 21:37:22 GMT -5
I've killed at few stone dead with the polymer tipped Dead Center Bullets. I see where some say they won't work at high vel. But they work great on big body buckdeer.
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Post by youp50 on Feb 11, 2011 4:55:41 GMT -5
If you go the Barnes bullet route, many do not get good accuracy until the bullet gets knurled.
They tend to be spendy.
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Post by orionsoracle on Feb 11, 2011 5:26:22 GMT -5
Youp50,are you saying to knurl them even when using a sabot? Just curious!!!
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Post by youp50 on Feb 11, 2011 8:28:02 GMT -5
The 250 tmz comes boat tail. That limits the choice of sabots pretty much to the yellow supplied ones. Many, myself included, have found the Barnes needs to be knurled for acceptable accuracy.
I cannot speak for the flat based Barnes in a 50. If my memory serves me others have knurled the flat base bullets and improved the accuracy.
If I was considering trying the Barnes bullets in a 50, I would knurl them before the first trip to the range. At a buck a pop for the bullets it seems like a wise investment of your time.
At one time ET had posted images of an almost automatic knurling machine he designed to take the guess work out of the process.
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Post by fowlplay on Feb 12, 2011 10:36:20 GMT -5
The best deer bullet I have found in the 250 class are the 250 TMZ/TEZ bullets. If less damage is what you after this is your bullet. Small hole in and small hole out. Everything in-between is Campbell soup. Don't worry about a shoulder shot because it will just drill through them also.
I been killing deer with these bullets since they were introduced. I do not knurl these bullets. IMO, If they are already tight in your gun bore there is no reason for knurling. My accuracy has been great even at 200 yards. My load is 44g of N110, CCIM primer, with a 250 TMZ.
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floyd
Button Buck
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Post by floyd on Feb 12, 2011 12:47:24 GMT -5
I've only tried the MZ barnes bullets and found the accuracy isn't that good at 100 yards, do the spit fires shoot better?
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Post by youp50 on Feb 13, 2011 4:35:42 GMT -5
floyd,
Have you tried to knurl then?
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floyd
Button Buck
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Post by floyd on Feb 13, 2011 8:10:38 GMT -5
No, how do you do that?
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Post by foxgrape on Feb 13, 2011 10:59:12 GMT -5
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Post by dannoboone on Feb 13, 2011 13:40:21 GMT -5
I've only tried the MZ barnes bullets and found the accuracy isn't that good at 100 yards, do the spit fires shoot better? Sorry, I forgot to mention knurling in my above post. Barnes bullets for the .50 supposedly have a .451 diameter. A .452 is usually much more accurate in the 10MLII. When I first shot any of the Barnes bullets, accuracy was sorely lacking. But knurling them out to .452 (need to make sure bearing surface is .452 at both bullet base as well as bearing surface up by the ogive) between two files made a great accuracy difference. |
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Post by chuck41 on Feb 14, 2011 18:47:42 GMT -5
Has anyone found a 250 gr non-hollow point bullet that shoots well? I've been using hornady xpts which shoot well but tend to blow the deer to pieces ruining much meat. Has anyone found something a little less destructive? I'm using the mmp short black sabot in a .50 caliber non modified 10 ml with the recommended powders. Since you specifically asked about non-hollow point bullets, you might look at some of the Rainier LeadSafe Bullets 45 Caliber (452 Diameter) 250 Grain Plated Flat Nose or some of the Hornady flat nose fmj bullets. That flat nose will cause plenty of shock for good kills while it shouldn't explode on impact like the hollow points do, and compared to the Barns and the like they are dirt cheap for lots of practicing. I had pretty good accuracy at the 100 yd range with both types in my 50. A round nose non-hollow point will likely drill through a deer without causing enough shock for quick kills or a decent blood trail. There are some flat nose casts you can buy as well, but I don't know anything about how they might shoot in our guns. |
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Post by smokeless77 on Feb 14, 2011 20:15:26 GMT -5
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floyd
Button Buck
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Post by floyd on Feb 16, 2011 19:23:33 GMT -5
Thanks for the suggestions, I've give some of the above a try and see what happens.
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