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Post by bigmoose on Jan 21, 2011 12:39:33 GMT -5
 Thanks to Deadeye generosity I was able to test this bullet, results are very good, it penetrated 7 1/4 inches into my test block [excellent] recovered weight 275.4grs, good for a jacketed bullet. Recoil mild, I used 53grs of H4198, the same load I use for the 290gr. Barnes TMZ. If it held together, it would be a top pick in jacketed bullets, In game it might do much better [holding together] Once again thanks Rick. Marty |
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Post by deadeye on Jan 21, 2011 13:21:53 GMT -5
excellent & thx for doing the test. could you list a few others here(bullet penetrations) you have tested for quick reference for comparison. tia/j
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Post by bigmoose on Jan 21, 2011 14:07:58 GMT -5
300 Barnes X bullet 8 1/4 inches perfect muchroom zero weight loss 70 grs H4198
350 Barnes 9 1/2 inches perfect muchroom zero weight loss 68-69grs H4198
400 Barnes Buster Bullet, 21 inches plus zero weight loss 71grs of Benchmark
deadeye these are the leaders in penetration, all are Cooper Bullets, no lead core.
On jacketed Bullets, Nosler Partition was the best, it was a bullet that Smokeeter modified
if your BE would have held together it would have been rite at the top, as far as penetration.
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Post by bigmoose on Jan 21, 2011 14:09:28 GMT -5
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Post by DBinNY on Jan 21, 2011 21:29:42 GMT -5
Looks like the Buster 400 is a reusable bullet.
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Post by bigmoose on Jan 21, 2011 21:40:37 GMT -5
Almost, nose a little flatten, base flared, this after going thru sven inches of wood and the block, and barn wall a total of 21 plus inches.
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Post by Richard on Jan 21, 2011 22:08:04 GMT -5
Marty.........Nice chart! By the way, what is this "block" you have that you use for these tests? You probably mentioned it one time..........? Do you ever do the bundled wet newspaper thing?
Richard
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Post by bigmoose on Jan 21, 2011 22:24:52 GMT -5
Richard,
Wet newspaper is too soft,
What I do is tape 6 or 7 magazines together, one inch thick one's are the best, and keep adding,than tape them together, until I have a 30 to 40 pound block.
For big boomers I add a nose, made up of 6 to 8 inches of old dry 2X4's
A number of folks, bullet makers and the like, have said my test is worthless since no animal is made of wood, no doubt they are right, but if a bullet will go thru 6 to 8 inches of my block, it will d**n sure go thru an animal. Besides I like doing it, its fun
With the Barnes 350gr X bullet, and the Buster bullet, IMHO their is no animal they wont punch
a very large hole thru.
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Post by Rifleman on Jan 21, 2011 22:44:06 GMT -5
Why not just use a solid made for a .458 Win mag ? If bustin through max stuff is the goal that would seem to be the obvious solution. I would consider a 500 grainer.
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Post by Richard on Jan 21, 2011 22:45:57 GMT -5
Thanks Marty!
Richard
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Post by bigmoose on Jan 21, 2011 23:16:39 GMT -5
The 500grs bullet will not stabilize, in the Savage, bullet too long.
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Post by Rifleman on Jan 22, 2011 7:22:56 GMT -5
Well that is funny Marty, Rick Bibby told me about shooting it along time ago with success, he told me it kicked a little though with his load. We both got a chuckle out of that one.
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Post by bigmoose on Jan 22, 2011 9:20:53 GMT -5
Rifleman,
Rick gave me load info for the 500gr. Speer Tungstun solid, he felt we could push it close to 2000FPS. He explained that Tungstun being heavier than lead made the bullet shorter. I called Speer, they no longer made it and didn't any in stock, and didn't know who had any. At the time they were 3,85 each.
If you are implying I am being less than truthful in my statement made by Rick, I have a full page e-mail titled "Big Game Medicine", from Rick, as we offen discuss load development. He very generously gave credit for helping in load development
In any event, if you are calling me a lair, its a good idea to do at long distance.
Have a fine day
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Post by bigmoose on Jan 22, 2011 10:27:39 GMT -5
As to 500gr. bullets in general, When I read about Hornady's Dangerous game 500gr. bullet, at the time Brother Rick wasn't taking phone call's I e-mail Edge who has given me load info for big boomers, and asked about the 500gr. 458 Lott DGX, It also was Edge opinion, it might be a problem in the Savage. So I drop the idea and went with the Buster Bullet.
In my many discussions with Rick, he stated the heaviest bullet he worked with was the Speer 350gr. Hot Core, If I had gotten the Tungtun bullets he would have added it to his load info.
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Post by Rifleman on Jan 22, 2011 14:53:07 GMT -5
Well Marty of course you just pushed my buttons, but in the interest of being a gentleman I will contact you via PM and we can discuss things there.
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Post by bigmoose on Jan 22, 2011 17:56:20 GMT -5
I spoke to Rifleman, and I think we put this subject, disagreement to rest, If I might quote him
"life is to short" and since I said what is said, I agree with him.
Marty
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Post by Al on Jan 23, 2011 4:32:34 GMT -5
any idea of the alloy of those hardcast bullets? Never seen a cast bullet break up like that.
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Post by bigmoose on Jan 23, 2011 7:24:58 GMT -5
No, members of the board sent them to me, I think they cast them.
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Post by mountainam on Jan 23, 2011 8:07:00 GMT -5
I'm really late to the game, but what does B.E. stand for??
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Post by tar12 on Jan 23, 2011 8:18:55 GMT -5
I'm really late to the game, but what does B.E. stand for?? Ballistic Extreme |
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Post by bigmoose on Jan 23, 2011 9:29:09 GMT -5
Made by Parker, I understand you have to call Parker to order them, not yet on their web page.
deadeye, sent me the ones I tested, I am very postive about them, a very good bullet.
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