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Post by littlejoe on Jan 20, 2011 10:56:14 GMT -5
What is the difference in the twist rate of a .45-70 handi rifle barrel and an SMI douglas barrel in .45 Cal. I guess what I am getting at is; Is the twist rate of a 45-70 barrel the same as what would be optimum for a true .45 cal muzzle loader barrel? Joe
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Post by edge on Jan 20, 2011 11:03:40 GMT -5
The normal HandiRifle 45-70 is a 1:20 twist.
edge.
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Post by littlejoe on Jan 20, 2011 11:06:45 GMT -5
Thanks Edge, I am just trying to figure out if a custom barrel is worth the added expense over a 45-70 conversion?
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Post by Jon on Jan 20, 2011 11:43:18 GMT -5
Edge how is your marlin doing? It looked quite interesting and well thought out.
Jon
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Post by edge on Jan 20, 2011 12:04:57 GMT -5
I rarely shoot it as I normally want a high BC bullet, but two weeks ago I took a doe during a snow storm stalk.
50 yards with a 300 grain Remington sized and knurled.
Result was about a 65 yard death run with a blood trail Stevie Wonder could follow.
For a walk through the woods with shots rarely over 100 yards it is a hard rifle to beat. Light and fast make it a near perfect brush gun.... If it had a better trigger and a better quality barrel it would probably be used most of the time!
I need to try sabots more to see how they shoot a better BC bullet a bit faster.
edge.
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Post by rangeball on Jan 20, 2011 12:05:18 GMT -5
SMI will do whatever twist you want.
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Post by Jon on Jan 20, 2011 16:19:24 GMT -5
Edge thank you I was just wondering. I'm considering a 40cal. build down the road. The Marlin is cheaper than a Remington or Savage action.Jon
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Post by littlejoe on Jan 20, 2011 17:12:07 GMT -5
Thanks Edge, I am just trying to figure out if a custom barrel is worth the added expense over a 45-70 conversion? As far as Handi rifles go is what I am asking. I have seen testimonies to the accuracy of the blue harvester and 195grn Barnes in the conversion. Does the Douglas .45 drop in barrel lend itself to sabotless shooting more? I am really trying to weigh the pros and cons. I am so curious to find out that I want to do both. Can't afford that |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2011 18:50:00 GMT -5
Thanks Edge, I am just trying to figure out if a custom barrel is worth the added expense over a 45-70 conversion? As far as Handi rifles go is what I am asking. I have seen testimonies to the accuracy of the blue harvester and 195grn Barnes in the conversion. Does the Douglas .45 drop in barrel lend itself to sabotless shooting more? I am really trying to weigh the pros and cons. I am so curious to find out that I want to do both. Can't afford that littlejoe.. I bought my SMI barrel from moto357 on this board several months ago. Saboted, I found that it shoots well everything that my Pac-Nor shoots. I think that moto shot mostly sabotless with it and got some good results. I tend to believe that you can go with any combo that you can shoot with a pac-nor and get similar results in both. Zen |
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Post by littlejoe on Jan 21, 2011 9:09:02 GMT -5
Zen.. Thanks for the testament to the SMI Douglas barrel. At $360 from SMI, I guess that is a bargain for a drop in custom barrel. Do you find the SMI breech plug to be as good as a Savage breech plug? Joe
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Post by rangeball on Jan 21, 2011 9:41:52 GMT -5
Little joe, to shoot sabotless, I believe the SMI douglas will do a better job. Tighter tolerances and less likely to be bore to bore variations that you'll likely find with the H&R stock barrels. The SMI breech plug I have does everything it's supposed to. Holds a primer and the powder goes bang  Mine has a carbide plug, you might ask SMI about this as an option as they did mine. |
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Post by rangeball on Jan 21, 2011 9:57:30 GMT -5
Sorry, I don't. I did mine as a package deal, back when they were $350. I think they've gone up since then?
I think they charge about $100 to do a 45/70 conversion which includes their machine work and bp. I wouldn't think the carbide bushing would add that much, but just don't know.
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Post by littlejoe on Jan 21, 2011 10:33:10 GMT -5
Ok, here's the plan; I am ordering an H&R Talo exclusive Trapper .45-70 model with the 18.5" barrel. I am going to have SMI do the conversion to it. Then I am going to swap the stock off of the Pardner 20 ga. I have with the Trapper. With the full size stock on the 20 ga. I will order a 26" SMI Douglas .45 barrel. So I guess I will do both! The trapper should be a dandy youth gun with the short stock. Now I have to figure out which twist rate to go with in the Douglas barrel. Joe
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Post by rangeball on Jan 21, 2011 10:58:03 GMT -5
Joe, hard to go wrong with 1:22.
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Mine has a carbide plug, you might ask SMI about this as an option as they did mine.