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Post by dooksux on Jan 14, 2011 19:31:54 GMT -5
I shoot a 10 ml II. I load 40gr.of accurate 5744, 250gr. hornady 45 cal. HP/XTP, MMP code black sabot and 209 primer the group I get is 3in. at 100yds. off a good bench rest. I would really like to get a tighter group, I've tried from 38 to 44grs. of powder, over 41 group starts to get worse, under stays about 3in. if anybody sees something I'm doing wrong or has a suggestion that would help me get a tight group it would be greatly appreceiated.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2011 19:35:24 GMT -5
read through the tips and hints and make sure everything is up to par, mounts vent liner etc. if it is then try sabot to barrel fit. it should do much better than 3".....Bill
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Post by tar12 on Jan 14, 2011 19:52:18 GMT -5
Try the Harvester RCR sabot.
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Post by nctta on Jan 14, 2011 20:00:32 GMT -5
you will be glad you took my advice  |
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Post by dans on Jan 14, 2011 20:41:03 GMT -5
First I would clean the rifle. I would really scrub it. Make sure there is no plastic, packing grease ect in it. Then I would put in a new vent liner. Next make sure all the screws are tight and the front screw on the base is not bottomed out. Make sure the front base is not resting on the recoil lug. Your bullet /sabot combo should load with about 40 pounds of pressure on the ram rod. If its too easy to push down accuracy will suffer. One of the more consistant book loads is 44 grains of 5744,250 XTP, CCI 209m primer, and the mmp hph-12 sabot. If that combo loads gut busting hard then go to a HPH-24. If the mmps load to easy then tar-12s red crush rib should be the ticket. This load has shot 1.5 inches or better at 100 yards in 10 savage muzzleloaders I have shot. Remember even in these cooler temperatures barrel heat can affect accuracy. Make sure that barrel is cool to the touch 2 or 3 inches ahead of the barrel nut before loading. This rifle will show you what it wants to shoot! Take your time and work with the rifle and you will be rewarded. Post often here. There is a wealth of knowledge from good people on this site. Ask plenty of questions, you will be treated right.
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Post by totheright on Jan 14, 2011 20:55:03 GMT -5
Try a heavier bullet. My ML10 shoots much better with a heavier bullet.
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Post by rick59 on Jan 14, 2011 21:16:21 GMT -5
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Post by mdgroundhogger on Jan 14, 2011 23:26:37 GMT -5
Are you drilling out your breech regularly? I try to do it about every 30-35shots. Be careful not to hit the threads! Like stated before you can not rush accuracy with the Savage. If you give the gun 3-4 minutes in between shots, pay attention to your ventliners and keep that breech open it WILL shoot better. Hope this helps.  NICE GROUP RICK! |
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Post by j1r11 on Jan 15, 2011 0:08:19 GMT -5
Very nice, What FPS does that load give you? |
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Post by rick59 on Jan 15, 2011 0:20:00 GMT -5
Very nice, What FPS does that load give you? To be honest with you I have no idea, I do know it will out run a deer! This was found over on RW's site: At one time, 35 – 36 grains of Accurate 5744 was considered a full-powered hunting load. It was close to what earlier sabots could take using 300 grain sabots. It still is a good, easily ignitable, soft-recoiling load today. 40 – 44 grains is suitable for properly fitting, modern sabots yielding approximately 2080 – 2125 fps with 300 grain saboted bullets, contingent on individual rifle. |
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Post by rick59 on Jan 15, 2011 0:21:06 GMT -5
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Post by tar12 on Jan 15, 2011 6:31:01 GMT -5
I shot approx. 8 lbs of it with 300 grn bullets and never broke 2000 fps. Though not a speed demon, it was always very accurate and ULTRA reliable in cold weather.
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Post by screwbolts on Jan 15, 2011 8:57:59 GMT -5
Quote:
"At one time, 35 – 36 grains of Accurate 5744 was considered a full-powered hunting load. It was close to what earlier sabots could take using 300 grain sabots. It still is a good, easily ignitable, soft-recoiling load today. 40 – 44 grains is suitable for properly fitting, modern sabots yielding approximately 2080 – 2125 fps with 300 grain saboted bullets, contingent on individual rifle."
I can assure you that first full power load for the savage of 35 to 36 gr. 5744 will still harvest Deer and any other NA big game with a good 300 gr Boolit, or even Bullets if you choose to use them. At this powder weight it is the equivalent of 110 to 120 gr Volume of Black powder.
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Post by Jon on Jan 15, 2011 9:39:23 GMT -5
What kind of rest are you shooting off?
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Post by rick59 on Jan 15, 2011 10:36:44 GMT -5
What kind of rest are you shooting off? I shoot off of a Caldwell "Lead Sled". |
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Post by jims on Jan 15, 2011 20:18:47 GMT -5
That group will kill alot of deer at a lot of distance.
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Post by skennedy on Jan 15, 2011 20:39:28 GMT -5
I shoot a 10 ml II. I load 40gr.of accurate 5744, 250gr. hornady 45 cal. HP/XTP, MMP code black sabot and 209 primer the group I get is 3in. at 100yds. off a good bench rest. I would really like to get a tighter group, I've tried from 38 to 44grs. of powder, over 41 group starts to get worse, under stays about 3in. if anybody sees something I'm doing wrong or has a suggestion that would help me get a tight group it would be greatly appreceiated. I was having similar issues when using the mmp black sabot. The mmp in my gun was extremely hard to push down the barrel. I switched the harvester easy load sabots and my groups started to shrink. I'm shooting 45 gr of 5744 and a 300gr hornady sst . I also ordered some mmp easy load sabot to see how they shoot. |
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