Duplex Loaders

[slipperhead]

I'm interested in higher velocity, flatter shooting and lower pressure smokeless shooting! I'm wondering how you are carrying and keeping track of your duplex powders during hunting season.

I'm using the old Traditions Quick-Shots for my 110, bullet and primer.

I'm guessing you are using pre-weighed and labeled vials at the range? Same in the field?

Thanks in advance,

Garland in VA

[deadeye]

i believe most are using a single for 2nd shot occurence's. i dont label i just use vials w/different color caps when duplexing

[spaniel]

I use a 12ga shotshell holder on my stock, it has 5 loops...4 vials of powder (2 boosters and 2 main charges in vials with different colored caps), 1 vial for over powder wads. I use vials bought from a board member that are a convenient size.

IMHO a follow-up shot with a duplex is not a big deal. A few extra seconds.

[smokeless77]

I use two different size glass vials, the shorter one is the booster powder.
Carry three loads in a zip-lock bag in my coat pocket.

John

[Dave W]

With the .50 caliber, I use two powder vials taped bottom to bottom. With the .45, I use two 7 Mag cases taped together.

[mountainam]

I use a 5ml vial for my main charge that I bought from Chuck41 and a 1.5 ml vial that are on Ebay for my booster charge. I turn them opposite and tape them together with clear electrical tape. They are the best! I got 5 shots a deer this year and they worked great along with a loading block.

[slipperhead]

I bought some plastic vials from a boardmembers a few years ago when I bought my ML10. They make for great range vials but I'm not sure they would be suitable for the elements. They are made of soft plastic and the lid seal isn't substantial.

I see eBay has a few glass vials listed in a number of sizes. How many drams, oz. or ml would say, 45 gr of N110 be? How about 15gr of a booster powder?

I will contact Chuck41 for his vials.

(Are "over powder wads" used for sabotless?)

Thanks,

Garland in VA

[Dave W]

Jan 12, 2011 18:24:25 GMT -5 slipperhead said:

(Are "over powder wads" used for sabotless?)

Thanks,

Garland in VA

In my case-yes.

[smokeless77]

I use the VC5/8 dram for the booster and the VC2 for the main.
All with screw on caps.

www.specialtybottle.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=12

[dannoboone]

I glued the bases of smaller vials onto the caps of larger vials.
Works pretty well on the range as well as in the field.

[skennedy]

Sorry for the dumb question but I'm new here. How do you load a duplex or triplex load? Do you just load the booster powder and then the main powder or is there a wad or something else to keep the powder seperate.

[Harley]

Like Smokeless77, I keep a set of loading components in a plastic zip-lock bag placed in an outer pocket. I have two powder vials (duplex), one dry wool wad, one bullet and TWO primers - the second primer is in case I drop the first one . The only thing I don't have in that bag is my small loading funnel.

My last day out this year I killed a doe with about 15 minutes left before darkness; I thought there was a good chance another deer would come on the field, so I reloaded. The only thing I noticed that was different from prior loadings was that my hands were shaking and I wished I had that funnel.

I killed a second deer five minutes later; the first one was at 177 yards and the second one at 188 yards. That's far enough that I wouldn't cut any loading corners by just using a single power for a second shot. As Spaniel said, loading that second duplex powder is not a big deal, adding no more than a few seconds to the procedure.

Skennedy, there are NO dumb questions; you dump the smaller, fast burning charge in first, maybe tapping the side of your barrel to help it fall through, then add the larger, slower burning powder, followed by a wad (leaning on your ramrod to be certain the wad compresses the powder uniformly), then finally starting and seating your bullet.

Harley

[slipperhead]

Dry wool wad? Got a pic or a source? Sabotless?
Thx,
Garland

[smokeless77]

Here you go slipperhead.

www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=001064400D

[slipperhead]

Thanks for the info! How do you ensure that the wad is sitting flat on the powder or is this an issue?

[olegburn]

Jan 12, 2011 22:32:42 GMT -5 Harley said:

Like Smokeless77, I keep a set of loading components in a plastic zip-lock bag placed in an outer pocket. I have two powder vials (duplex), one dry wool wad, one bullet and TWO primers - the second primer is in case I drop the first one . The only thing I don't have in that bag is my small loading funnel.

My last day out this year I killed a doe with about 15 minutes left before darkness; I thought there was a good chance another deer would come on the field, so I reloaded. The only thing I noticed that was different from prior loadings was that my hands were shaking and I wished I had that funnel.

I killed a second deer five minutes later; the first one was at 177 yards and the second one at 188 yards. That's far enough that I wouldn't cut any loading corners by just using a single power for a second shot. As Spaniel said, loading that second duplex powder is not a big deal, adding no more than a few seconds to the procedure.

Skennedy, there are NO dumb questions; you dump the smaller, fast burning charge in first, maybe tapping the side of your barrel to help it fall through, then add the larger, slower burning powder, followed by a wad (leaning on your ramrod to be certain the wad compresses the powder uniformly), then finally starting and seating your bullet.

Harley

Harley,I followed your link and it shows .45 wads-
Do you use them in a .50 or you refering to the .45 Pacnor?

[smokeless77]

Slipperhead, Once you start the wad in the bore you can push it down with the loading jag, or start the bullet behind it and push the wad down with the bullet. The jag or the bullet keeps the wad straight in the bore.

Oleg, I'm not Harley but I think he is refering to the 45. cal

[dannoboone]

I'm thinking Harley was also talking sabotless. Most of us
saboted load shooters get less accuracy if we try the wads.

[Harley]

Sorry I haven't answered sooner, just logging in. I do shoot the .45 sabotless.

Slipperhead, I may be the only person in history to manage to push the dry wad down on its edge rather than flat. It's only happened once and I knew it, immediately, because the seating felt "spongy" and my witness mark was a little off. I shot it without incident and it's never happened, again. Don't worry about it.

Harley

[chuck41]

I load and shoot a 40 sabotless. Use either wool or "fiber" wads. There is no problem loading them with your thumb and when you push them down with bullet or jag. They will not turn when pushed by a bullet, loading jag, or sabot. My vials are located at: www.royalcs.com/vials/#vials

I personally use white caps for booster charge, red, yellow, green, or blue for main charge. I normally use the same booster charge for all since my booster is really just to insure good ignition, and then have four cap colors for the various charges I am taking to range or stand.

[youp50]

For separate booster/main loads, I use an empty 30-30 for the booster and an empty 7 WSM for the main.

I am trying layering in the 7mm WSM.

I am maybe leaving the homogeneous mixture all in one 7mmWSM.

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