lundy
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Post by lundy on Jan 11, 2011 7:11:51 GMT -5
I have followed with much interest the performance of the Barnes 195 on deer. I have read many success stories with many deer just dropping at the shot. Late yesterday my son and I decided to put some deer meat in the freezer after not getting an opportunity at a buck that we wanted to take all season. I had the wide 8 that my son had been hunting for two years in front of me during our first gun season and elected not to shot him because my son had been hunting him so hard. That was probably a mistake on my part but that is how it goes. Anyway late yesterday I shot a doe at 130 yds, quartering away. Entered at the last rib on the right side and exited the offside shoulder. Broke a rib going in and a rib and shoulder going out and she still ran about 70 yds before dying in the bottom a big ditch. It would have been nice if she would have died up in the field. My son shot his doe 10 min later at 110 yds. She was quartering to him and he shot her through the left front shoulder and exited the second rib from the back on the right side breaking the shoulder and the offside rib. She ran around 50 yds down into yet another deep ditch The bullet did it's job and took out everything on the way through but these deer are tough, no dropping on the spot like some of your wimpy Indiana deer and these are just the females ;D Kim
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Post by tar12 on Jan 11, 2011 9:44:52 GMT -5
So the moral of your story is to become a better shot and do not hunt near ditches? ;D
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Post by rick59 on Jan 11, 2011 12:47:44 GMT -5
Yea, Yea, Everything's tougher in Ohio. Just ask most people who live there.
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Post by rossman40 on Jan 11, 2011 18:31:56 GMT -5
I think that is bred into the Ohio deer. If you do not neck/spine shoot them they run to the bottom of the nearest hollow before dying. I was just a tad high on a heart shot with the one I got and it still ran to the bottom of the hollow. Of course I wised up and carry 200ft of rope on the ATV.
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Jan 11, 2011 19:25:30 GMT -5
No magic....just perforated dead deer. Nice. Death runs are fun. Blood trails are short. Ditches can be deep.
For guaranteed DRT you may need electrocution.
Sounds like everything was perfect.
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Post by rick59 on Jan 11, 2011 22:05:19 GMT -5
I think that is bred into the Ohio deer. If you do not neck/spine shoot them they run to the bottom of the nearest hollow before dying. I was just a tad high on a heart shot with the one I got and it still ran to the bottom of the hollow. Of course I wised up and carry 200ft of rope on the ATV. That's the only way to travel; I'm too old to be dragging them up out of the holes.
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Post by tar12 on Jan 12, 2011 5:51:23 GMT -5
I here you rossman! I do not leave home with out the Arctic Cat outfitted with the winch and rope!
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Post by jims on Jan 12, 2011 6:41:00 GMT -5
This is not going to set off a Hoosier/Buckeye thing is it? Where I live in Ohio we border Indiana so I suspect there is some traveling back and forth. We do know they have some pretty tough wrestlers in Indiana though.
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lundy
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Post by lundy on Jan 12, 2011 8:46:56 GMT -5
Rossman, I have a Polaris Ranger and lots of rope, we utilize that method often. These areas were really tough to get close to and I used my very strong and fit 30 year old son(my ATV) and words of encouragement(my rope) as he dragged them up the hills The 195 Barnes worked great, both shots hit exactly where aimed, performed as expected, in and out, through bone with lots of damage and a good blood trail with a deed deer at the end.
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Post by tar12 on Jan 12, 2011 10:20:26 GMT -5
Lundy, I hope you realize I was just messin with ya! There are times when my Jr has to drag a little himself but that is just far enough to finish with the ATV!
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lundy
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Post by lundy on Jan 12, 2011 11:05:46 GMT -5
Tar12,
Yes I know
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Post by rick59 on Jan 12, 2011 20:57:32 GMT -5
Did someone say Arctic Cat? This one makes my life better.
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Post by tar12 on Jan 12, 2011 21:53:23 GMT -5
Mine is a 2004 model. It aint no where near as pretty as yours.. ;D
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Post by youp50 on Jan 13, 2011 13:41:14 GMT -5
Let me get this straight...
Your land is flat. You have few woods, which makes the ATV thing like driving in a Mall parking lot. And you need a winch and rope to recover them from the bottom of a ditch?
Must be an Ohio and Indiana thing. ;-)
Anyway, congrats on the venison.
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Post by lundy on Jan 13, 2011 14:16:49 GMT -5
Youp50, Southeastern Ohio isn't exactly like the Rocky mountains but it isn't flat either. I also have hunted Ohio County in Indiana many times and in both place some of the "ditches" are so deep and steep that you can not walk in or out of them without tremendous effort much less drag a deer out of them. I had to have my son and his buddy hang off of the roll bar on the side of the UTV last week to counter balance it so it would not turn it over in the "parking lot" we were getting one of the deer out of. ;D I agree Ohio has for the most part pretty tame landscape compared to many parts of the country, especially the central and western portions, but to us us flatlanders it presents a few challenges
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Jan 13, 2011 18:49:25 GMT -5
One day I will post a picture of some gullys around here. Deer cross them and die in them. There is no chance to drag them out. It is either drag them down a creek for a distance to a flatter spot or winch them up with someone "riding" along so that you don't rip them apart when they get caught on a big tree root or something
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Post by deadon on Jan 13, 2011 19:25:41 GMT -5
One day I will post a picture of some gullys around here. Deer cross them and die in them. There is no chance to drag them out. It is either drag them down a creek for a distance to a flatter spot or winch them up with someone "riding" along so that you don't rip them apart when they get caught on a big tree root or something In Cumberland Co Va we call um gorges. Don't take much of a low spot over a gazillion years of rain to create one.
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Post by tar12 on Jan 13, 2011 20:13:35 GMT -5
Rusty, A few years back Quentin and I went on a multistate killing spree(bambi) ;D One of the blood letting spots was just outside Wheeling,W. Va.My first thought as the dawn broke and I looked over the edge was HEADSHOT! I aint dragging! ;D
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Post by smokepole50 on Jan 13, 2011 20:34:44 GMT -5
Yes, in the Blue Ridge Mountains, level spots have houses built on them or cattle grazing in them.
I shot a doe this year in a bad place. My dad wanted more doe's thinned out around his house and I shot this one when I should have let it walk. We had to drag her up a 40-45 degree hill for about 100 yards just to get to the logging road and the ATV. My 50 year old butt won't do that again anytime soon.
Smokepole
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Post by rossman40 on Jan 13, 2011 21:34:58 GMT -5
Here in Ohio we have basicly two areas, glaciated and unglaciated. About a million years ago there was a glacier over 2/3 of Ohio that bulldozed much of the state. The unglaciated area is much like WV, eastern KY and PA. What is weird is the highest point in the state is in the central western area, Bellfontaine, Ohio.
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Post by jims on Jan 13, 2011 22:08:31 GMT -5
Even on my "flat land" farm I have 110 feet of fall from the road to the river and some 85 feet high hills/ravines. On an occasion or two I have had to drag a deer up the same. We have big bodied deer here and that is not too much fun. One time we had so much snow I had to tobaggan/sled one out over 3/8 a mile. I thought I might die along with the deer before I got thru all that snow. The ATV and FEL on the tractor do come in handy at times.
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Post by rick59 on Jan 14, 2011 0:36:36 GMT -5
Let me get this straight... Your land is flat. You have few woods, which makes the ATV thing like driving in a Mall parking lot. And you need a winch and rope to recover them from the bottom of a ditch? Must be an Ohio and Indiana thing. ;-) Anyway, congrats on the venison. I hunt in areas that you have to basically repale down to the deer if it ends up in the bottom. Each of our ATV’s carry a 200ft rope plus the winch and a snatch block, believe me we have had to use them and it’s not much fun. Gotta love those cheap plastic sleds! Not all of Indiana and Ohio is flatland as you may think.
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Post by youp50 on Jan 14, 2011 14:21:57 GMT -5
Please do not take it to heart guys, just funnin' you. But why are you called 'Flatlanders'?
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Post by rossman40 on Jan 14, 2011 14:51:18 GMT -5
I was up in northern PA a few years back and the locals instead of saying "darn tourist" it was "darn flatlanders".
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Post by nate121080 on Jan 15, 2011 15:48:38 GMT -5
Ohio is flat ;D We dont drag deer anymore, we pack them out. If any of you have been in Mcdowel County West Virginia you've seen a lot of places a billy goat wouldnt even try lol Im just south of it in Virginia. Its steep, rocky, and just plain out rough ;D
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Post by youp50 on Jan 16, 2011 15:59:59 GMT -5
I have parted out a couple of bucks. Surely do not need the bones, hide, bloodshot meat etc. Its amazing how much weight you can leave behind. I have seen the stud wilderness hunters around here show up with bucks lacking all hair on both sides. Way too much effort involved there for me
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Post by jims on Jan 16, 2011 19:01:09 GMT -5
In Ohio we have to have them tagged at a check in station before the hide etc. can be removed. They can be gutted first but anymore could cause trouble.
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lundy
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Post by lundy on Jan 17, 2011 6:47:39 GMT -5
In Ohio we have to have them tagged at a check in station before the hide etc. can be removed. They can be gutted first but anymore could cause trouble. Until next year in Ohio when we go to the phone or on-line check system. This will make it much easier to go from kill to butcher.
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Post by nate121080 on Jan 17, 2011 11:48:44 GMT -5
I have parted out a couple of bucks. Surely do not need the bones, hide, bloodshot meat etc. Its amazing how much weight you can leave behind. I have seen the stud wilderness hunters around here show up with bucks lacking all hair on both sides. Way too much effort involved there for me Thats what our deer would look like when we got them back to the truck. We debone everything now and I wouldnt do it any other way. A good backpack (we use eberlestock and badlands) is a must
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Post by youp50 on Jan 19, 2011 20:03:36 GMT -5
Our DNR counts the deer the 'Trolls' take back across The Bridge. They then extrapolate and intoxicate and presto chango. We have the number of deer killed in the U.P.
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