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Post by sabotloader on Jan 10, 2011 20:21:59 GMT -5
First of I really want you all to know that I am totally biased about this subject, but I am going to mention something that I have found.
I really dislike cleaning the bore after shooting BH - for me it is a much longer process than cleaning after shooting T7.
I have/had been using Hoppe's #9 Bore Solvent in the past, following directions on the bottle - running patch after patch saturating the patch and running it in the bore until they come out some what clean... For me it has taken a bunch of patches and I never really seem to be happy with the color of the patches.
The last three times that i have shot BH - I gave up on the Hoppe's and switched to using Tipton's Bore Solvent. For some reason this solvent seems to work much faster in cleaning the bore. It only takes a 2-3 patches and they are coming out nearly white. Then a couple of dry patches patches followed by 2 Montana X-Treme patches and I am now really happy with to looks of the patches.
I THINK part of the problem with Hoppe's is that it contains 40% Kerosene and 40% Ethyl Alcohol, 5% Ammonium Hydroxide. In effect a big part of the solvent is just Kerosene oil.
Tipton Bore Solvent or Barnes CR-10, neither of these contain Kerosene. They are much less oily than the Hoppe's, and seem to me to a faster job of cleaning. Looking at the contents of each of these solvents - I do not see any form of oil in the product.
All of these solvents contain chemicals harmful to your health so handle them with caution.
Just passing on some observations - not really sure what they mean, but I will continue using something other than Hoppe's.
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Post by artjr338wm on Jan 10, 2011 22:12:28 GMT -5
Your experience with cleaning BH209 is the direct opposite of mine. I have shot 100s & 100s of 777 loadings, around 1950 loads of Pyrodex RS and right around 1 & 1/2 jugs of BH209 out of my Encore.
Based on my experience, compaired to BH209, Pyrodex and 777 leave a great deal more fouling in my Encores barrel and BH209 has so far not left behind anyhting even close to a crud ring that one gets with 777. Cleaning 777 and Pryrodex reqiuerd 2-3x more effort and patches for me than BH209 did.
BH209 was by far the easiest of the three for me to clean. I simply use Shooters Choice MC-7 bore cleaner to memove any plastic fouling from sabots. This takes 2-3 soakings, brushings than dry patchings. MC-7 works the best I know of for removing plastic fouling. I use it in all my MLs and slug guns for removing sabot plastic fouling.
Once I am done with MC-7 I use action cleaner to remove it, then I use one of two methods. Method #1- Wipe-Out and let sit for around 1-1.5-hrs with both ends of the barrel plugged. Dry patch it out and then repeat 1 tp 2 more times, but never more than a total of 3 soakings and patchings. At that point I have a 100% clean and shiny bore, swab with BreakFreeCLP and place in safe.
Method #2-I use if I am in a hurry and pressed for time. Use Berchwood Casy 2n1 bore solvent around 1-3 soakings, brushings, and patchings and I am done. The biggest advantage of Wipe-Out VS B-C 2n1 is it's much easior and fewer patches.
I use B-C/2n1 instead of MC-7 because I have 6-7x more of it VS MC-7.
The last time I shot BH209 I also shot my 10ML-II and there is zero doubt in my mind that the BH209 was just as clean buring as was the loads of H4198 and RL-10X I shot out of my 10ML-II.
Not saying your wrong, just my experience is different.
Be well,
Arthur.
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Post by jb177 on Jan 10, 2011 22:28:40 GMT -5
Do you guys clean between shots with BH 209? I've yet to try any and wanted to see what you guys have tried.
thanks.
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Post by frozentundra on Jan 10, 2011 22:35:20 GMT -5
I use 209 and the 209 solvent, at first it took 4 or 5 patches after shooting 30 shots or so. I started using BMCO after the solvent and after a few times I can now clean in 2 or 3 patches. I cant say enough good stuff about this oil. bobmarvelcustomguns.com/bob-marvels-custom-oil.html |
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Post by GMB54-120 on Jan 10, 2011 22:42:45 GMT -5
Do you guys clean between shots with BH 209? I've yet to try any and wanted to see what you guys have tried. thanks. No actually accuracy seems better on a BH209 fouled bore. Ive done many 50 shot range sessions without swabbing the bore at all. Most of my best groups are well after 10 shots but the first group is still pretty good if you foul the bore with a primer or two. |
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Post by jb177 on Jan 11, 2011 16:28:09 GMT -5
Excellent, I hate swabbing the bore between shots with other subs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2011 17:13:52 GMT -5
Just remember to let the bore cool down between shots with Blackhorn 209. Its very easy to get carried away with load and fire! Even in cold weather at the range I try to wait 5 minutes between shots.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2011 23:45:09 GMT -5
Cleaned the V2 today after shooting BH209 with birchwood casey bore scrubber. 2 dry patches to wipe out loose fouling, one wet patch, another wet patch thats allowed to soak for 5 minutes in the bore, Follow up with another wet patch and then 2 dry patches. Simple as that.
If BH209 is hard to clean out of your bore, it must be rough and holding the fouling.
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Post by alphaburnt on Jan 12, 2011 0:30:28 GMT -5
That Birchwood Casey is pretty strong bore cleaner and hard to find locally. Wally World carries Rem Bore Cleaner, Winchester brand clp and Hoppes Elite only. Last jar I had, thought it was noticeably better at cleaning than Hoppes.
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Post by GMB54-120 on Jan 12, 2011 9:32:02 GMT -5
Hoppes Benchrest formula works ok but its too expensive. A good mil-spec CLP works better and at a fraction of the cost. I got a gallon of the new formula SENT-CLP S-758 for $20 or less at a gun show. This is the same stuff issued to NATO forces.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2011 22:46:40 GMT -5
Birchwood Casey Bore Scrubber. Optima, Ran 3 dry patches to remove loose fouling " top 3 patches" Bottom 3 patches Left to Right soaked patch that i swabbed the bore with, Middle patch is the second patch that again was soaked and swabbed the bore and allowed cleaner to work for 5 minutes. Final patch and damp and came out basically spotless.  Accura V2, Same thing as above, 3 dry patches to wipe out loose fouling.  Long process? Mmmmm.... No. Much faster than a bucket of hot soapy water to clean up Pyrodex or T7. |
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Post by petev on Jan 18, 2011 23:12:00 GMT -5
I'll throw a monkey wrench in here. If the patches with Hoppes #9 are coming out real dirty for a few patches, could that mean they are picking up more fouling? I agree #9 takes more patches, but my bore has been super clean afterwards. Just my 2cts.
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Post by mdgroundhogger on Jan 19, 2011 9:47:19 GMT -5
Ive had good luck with CLP and Shooters Choice. Just my 2c.
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Post by epanzella on Jan 19, 2011 17:13:24 GMT -5
I've found cleaning my ML with H209 is quicker than cleaning my CF rifles. No copper, no lead, just a bit of soot and plastic. 2 wet 2 dry and done. BTW, if you don't clean the breechplug threads really well, the dry patches will keep picking up fouling from them. I use a 12ga brush and a large 209 soaked patch. I screw it into the breech and it cleans the threads right to the bottom. Then I do the same with a dry patch before doing the bore.
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Post by johnp034 on Jan 24, 2011 6:23:59 GMT -5
Shooters choice or Butches Bore Shine, never had a problem cleaning after shooting BH209. I do just about the way frontiergander does, not a problem.
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Post by johnp034 on Jan 24, 2011 6:26:16 GMT -5
On the issue of swabbing between shots, I agree, mine shoots much better with BH209 with a fouled bore. I don't usually clean until after the season.
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