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Post by jb177 on Jan 3, 2011 23:46:44 GMT -5
Time to lay the old Knight wolverine to rest. It's ~15 yrs old and shows it.
I wanted smokeless, but got to looking at the TC Omega. Can you guys give me the Readers Digest version of what works in the TC? I use a MZ as a hunting tool and needs to reach 200 yds reliably. I shoot centerfires a lot and do my own reloading, etc.
I just don't have the time to fiddle with a MZ right now. I need something that gets the job done with little fuss (if such things exist).
Looking at a 50 cal Omega Stainless with plain black stock. Looks like BH is the latest/greatest thing in powder. What are some proven loads that will yield under 2 MOA out to 200 yds?
Powder?
Bullet?
Ramrod loading technique/accessory?
Forgive all the questions. Just don't know much about modern MZ other than what I've read on this forum the last few days.
May your new Year be the best yet...
Justin
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Post by mlkeith on Jan 4, 2011 0:26:51 GMT -5
I have an Omega. If you don't want to shoot conicals and are OK with Sabot/Bullet combinations then the Omega will work. If it is a plastic stock it will require some work to bed and stabilize the flimsy stock. After that check all the mounting areas on the rifle. Mine were loose and impossible to tighten without some metal work. The barrel will take some break-in time or you can shorten it with JB bore paste or shoot full bore lead with break-in paste on the bullets. The Omega will shoot BH209 and that would be what I would recommend for your situation as long as you do not mind the cost. Then for shots over 150 yards, practice a lot!!! Personally I would pick another rifle over the Omega but that is not what the question was (I consider my Omega overpriced for the quality it came with).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 1:23:49 GMT -5
100-110gr of Blackhorn 209 with either 250-300gr bullets in Harvester Crushed Rib sabots will shoot well. I do recommend atleast 100 passes down the bore with JB Bore Paste. I have yet to have a misfire with my Omega's. I have laminated hardwood thumbhole stocks on mine so I cannot comment on the composite stock problems. If you do your part you should have no problem out to 200yds.
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Post by rogo on Jan 4, 2011 8:22:08 GMT -5
Personally I also would go with a rifle other than an Omega but that is your choice. If you can find one get a .45 cal Omega. Better trajectory for long range shooting than a .50 cal. Also get a better stock, the plastic ones are junk.
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Post by GMB54-120 on Jan 4, 2011 8:28:59 GMT -5
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Post by petev on Jan 4, 2011 9:43:52 GMT -5
I had run a thread about a month ago about the Omega, with many encouraging posts. I am going to disagree with a couple of posts here. Most of us find that the Omega shoots great right out of the box, with no break in and no lapping. The 45 and 50 are both great shooters. I am shooting 100 gr BH with either 300 gr. Hornaday HP or 300 gr. SW. orange MMP sabots. Use regular primers, I use regular CCI primers. I have a black plastic stock, and it is not whippy, although it doesn't fit me real well. Great shooter, consistent ignition, 1 MOA out of the box.
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Post by jb177 on Jan 4, 2011 14:53:14 GMT -5
I really do appreciate the feedback. I'm sure the composite stock is not that great, I'm used to that. I can hand lap the barrel with JB's if needed, but hope I don't. On that note, what do you guys use to clean the barrel? I still have the same bottle of Hoppes I got with my Wolverine back in the day. Practice is not an issue, I do enjoy that part. 90% of my shots will be under 100 yards, but my Wolverine can do that.
I had not really entertained the idea of a 45. Was going to stick with the common 50. Basically I'm looking for the equiv of a Remington 700 in .270 with 3x9 Nikon scope, nothing too fancy but gets the job done. I've got other areas in the firearm world where I go over the top.
Thanks again for the input.
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Post by grouse on Jan 4, 2011 15:40:49 GMT -5
I know you asked about the Omega, but i have a better suggestion.
The T/C Triumph is what you need. It fills the void you are looking for.
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Post by petev on Jan 4, 2011 16:20:46 GMT -5
I use Hoppes to clean BH209.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 4, 2011 20:18:06 GMT -5
I have read before that the Omega and the Encore share the same barrel. If that is so I can speak. The Encore I have is SS . I know that mine will shoot 3/4 inch groups @100 yds quite consistantly. It likes a wet patch flipped and then a dry patch flipped between. I have never tried BH yet even though I have 2 unopened jug's of it. When I went to smokeless.45. I put the ole Encore in the safe and it has never came out. There is a video out there called Max Muzzelloading I believe .They use an omega in it to show the products. I strongly recomend you go to there site and see if someone has a copy of that you can use or buy it. It is a VERY helpful video. They shoot 3/4 and under several 1 ragged hole groups... And they dont try to sell you anything but a cleaning jag. That really works.
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Post by spaniel on Jan 5, 2011 7:13:18 GMT -5
With a 200SW in front of 110gr 777, or a 325FTX in front of 130gr 777, my stainless Omega with laminate thumbhole stock has proven an effective 300 yd weapon (after appropriate practice and anal retentiveness on accurization and load development).
First thing to do is shoot it. I do recommend laminate over the synthetic. If the gun won't shoot with half a dozen different loads, the next thing to do is bed it and that's a lot easier with a laminate. Mine required it (many don't) and then became a sub-MOA gun. It was sub-2MOA out of the box but the zero wandered with action screw torque.
Clean with warm water for 777....Hoppes for BH209.
Smokeless would be better to reduce overall hassle...but there would be more hassle in your setup up front.
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Post by jb177 on Jan 5, 2011 16:05:15 GMT -5
Thanks.
What is a 200gr SW? Is that a semi-wad-cutter?
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Post by deadon on Jan 5, 2011 17:31:48 GMT -5
Thanks. What is a 200gr SW? Is that a semi-wad-cutter? No Sir. it is a HP with a pointed plastic tip inserted. |
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Post by spaniel on Jan 5, 2011 17:40:38 GMT -5
200gr Shockwave or SST
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Post by petev on Jan 5, 2011 18:22:05 GMT -5
Smokeless would be better to reduce overall hassle...but there would be more hassle in your setup up front. jb, this post means smokeless in a Savage, not the Omega, of course, I think I can assume is what Spaniel was saying. |
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Post by AJ on Jan 5, 2011 22:50:32 GMT -5
I have a few muzzleloaders in the big metal box. I have Rem 700 ML (virgin valley barrel)- .50 cal, Knight Disc Elite - .50 cal and .45 cal, Savage 10 ML II - .50 cal, TC Encore - .50 cal, and the Omega - .50 cal. Of these the Omega is the most accurate. I can keep 4" groups at 300 yards using BH209 and a 300 gr SST in Harvestor sabot. The Knight Disc Elite in .45 caliber is next with 5" groups at 300 yards using BH209 and the 200 gr SST in a Knight sabot. Both of these guns are in laminated stocks that are properly bedded and have quality optics.
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Post by jb177 on Jan 6, 2011 23:04:18 GMT -5
Many thanks guys. This board is great is now in my bookmarks along with about 7 other hunting forums I visit.
Where would I get such 200gr SW? I googled it and got a bunch of nonething. Who makes it ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2011 0:38:15 GMT -5
Hornady Shockwave
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Post by GMB54-120 on Jan 7, 2011 9:20:53 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2011 9:57:26 GMT -5
Guess I was thinking the Hornady SST .40 bullet for .45Cal muzzleloaders.
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Post by GMB54-120 on Jan 7, 2011 10:04:52 GMT -5
Guess I was thinking the Hornady SST .40 bullet for .45Cal muzzleloaders. T/C also offers or did offer the 200gr 40cal in both 40x45 and 40x50. I think they are the only ones that package it in the 50cal using the 40cal SST. IIRC though T/C are the only ones that offer a "bonded" 45x50 version. |
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Post by spaniel on Jan 8, 2011 7:24:48 GMT -5
Guess I was thinking the Hornady SST .40 bullet for .45Cal muzzleloaders. The same bullet is called the 200gr T/C Shockwave and 200gr Hornady SST. The only difference is the color plastic in the tip. Hornady makes them both. If you look up the SST on Midway USA, it will be slightly cheaper because `it is not being resold by T/C. That said I've always used them through T/C because that's what I can find locally in the stores. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2011 17:18:35 GMT -5
My .50 Omega with laminated stock really likes the .452 Speer Deep Curls in a crushed rib sabot with 100-110gr BH209 at 100yds.
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Post by magnumman44 on Jan 10, 2011 23:32:04 GMT -5
I don't know much about the Omega, but I will tell you about the load in my Remington 700ML...I use the 200gr T/C Shockwave that many have mentioned above with 100 grains of T7( two 50gr pellets). This combination shoots 3/4" groups for me at 100 yards. Thats good enough for me, but honestly, I haven't had the opportunity to harvest an animal with it as we worked it up this summer and I didn't see a buck all season! Try it!
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