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Post by budga82832 on Dec 28, 2010 19:12:47 GMT -5
My buddy an I went out today to try the Lehigh .452 250gr bullets in our Knight rifles here is our loads we tried:
Knight LRH & Master Hunter
100gr BH209
.452 250gr Lehigh Bullets
Knight EZ-loading orange sabots (#24)
Outside temp 21*
We saw right away the sabot were to hard to load and the pedals were being torn off about 12' out from the bench. The five shot group was 1/2" at 50 yards. There are so many sabots to choose from I was wandering if anyone knew what works well using these bullets in Knight rifles.
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Post by sabotloader on Dec 28, 2010 21:08:16 GMT -5
My buddy an I went out today to try the Lehigh .452 250gr bullets in our Knight rifles here is our loads we tried: Knight LRH & Master Hunter 100gr BH209 .452 250gr Lehigh Bullets Knight EZ-loading orange sabots (#24) Outside temp 21* We saw right away the sabot were to hard to load and the pedals were being torn off about 12' out from the bench. The five shot group was 1/2" at 50 yards. There are so many sabots to choose from I was wandering if anyone knew what works well using these bullets in Knight rifles. I use MMP HPH-24 sabots in all of my Knights for a 452 bullet. I am not sure what a Knight Orange EZ load is? If this is the sabot you were using... it is a MMP HPH-3p-EZ- load. www.knightrifles.com/ez-load-sabots-M900126/That sabot should have been very easy to load. It is the thinnest 45-50 sabot offered - akin to the Harvester 'Crush Rib' Petals coming of that sabot after shooting is no big deal. It is so thin it often sheds the petals. By the time it sheds it's petal the bullet is long gone. You can compare the loaded diameters of the 3p-EZ and hph 24 in this picture...  |
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Post by grouse on Dec 28, 2010 21:20:16 GMT -5
I prefer the 250grn Lehigh's with the short black harvester sabot.
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Post by GMB54-120 on Dec 28, 2010 21:23:46 GMT -5
Thinner petal sabots (smaller OD) also loose petals faster usually. I have some i can seldom find because only the base is left but they shot fine. I also use the MMP HPH-24 with most of my 452s including the the Lehigh.
If yours are a 3 petal and tight, something is very wrong. I would start by weighing and/or checking the OD of the bullet with a mic. Maybe you got some 458s by mistake.
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Post by budga82832 on Dec 28, 2010 21:49:24 GMT -5
Mine are the orange HPH 24 EZ LOAD but they have 4 petals instead of 3. I thought they would be 3 petal to by the knight web site, but they sent me 4 petal. This combo was really hard to get started down the barrel. It took a ton of pressure to get it down with the bullet starter and I had only shot the gun twice so the barrel wasn't that dirty with BH209. Once I had to hit the bullet starter using the palm of my hand to get it going. When I shot the 220gr/.50 dead center bullets they loaded with ease. The loaded diameter on these bullets were .502. The loaded diameter with the Lehigh bullets an these sabots are .506. I bought my Knight LRH new an have only shot around 100 rds through it if that. I was looking at the short black harvester sabots once but was worried the bullet would hit the rifling because the sabot was so short on the bullet. Could it be the cold temps affected the plastic sabots an the loading. The temps today was around 20* with winds about 5-10mph and cloudy. I had the bullets setting out on the bench.
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Post by budga82832 on Dec 28, 2010 21:54:11 GMT -5
I might add my barrel on my LRH is a Shaw barrel
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Post by GMB54-120 on Dec 28, 2010 22:14:09 GMT -5
I might add my barrel on my LRH is a Shaw barrel Mine is a Green Mountain barrel with fluting made under the E.R Shaw patent. The GM logo should be on the barrel. |
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Post by sabotloader on Dec 28, 2010 23:37:43 GMT -5
I might add my barrel on my LRH is a Shaw barrel You might do some checking... your barrel is a Green Mountain barrel action, a one piece setup. The fluting on the barrel was done by Shaw, as Green Mountain does not do any fluting. |
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Post by budga82832 on Dec 29, 2010 13:26:41 GMT -5
My bad. You guys are correct, it does have the Green Mountain barrel logo on it. Just for a test I tried a package of the Scorpion PT Gold Bullets .451 260gr. I could push these bullets down the barrel with one finger on my ramrod. The results caused hang fires using BH209. This combo is way to lose. Going to try a different sabot with the lehigh bullets to see if I can find the right fit for my barrel. I will say one thing, the Dead Center Bullets loaded great an shot the tightest group so far. It put one bullet on top the other at 50 yards. But I'm hunter an the lehigh bullets have a great report on knock down power. Just like the Barnes MZ-Expander .
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Post by sabotloader on Dec 29, 2010 14:26:28 GMT -5
budga82832
Try a MMP HPH-24 sabot or a Regular Harvester sabot.
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Post by sabotloader on Dec 29, 2010 14:31:30 GMT -5
budga82832Try a MMP HPH-24 sabot or a Regular Harvester sabot. You know I think i would call Knight and discuss those EZ load sabots that you got from them. If they are not 3 petal as the picture shows - they certainly are not EZ loads. And if they load that tight then they are not 24's either - I would suspect they might be 12's which would really surprise me.... but you know what I have a way to find out that I forgot about... |
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Post by budga82832 on Dec 30, 2010 21:01:23 GMT -5
I emailed Gordy and asked him what the deal was. Whats strange is The part no# 900126 on the bag matches the part # on the web site and the bag also says EZ Load Sabots
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Post by sabotloader on Dec 30, 2010 21:50:53 GMT -5
I emailed Gordy and asked him what the deal was. Whats strange is The part no# 900126 on the bag matches the part # on the web site and the bag also says EZ Load Sabots Might be a bit b4 Gordy gets back to you - I think he is hunting right now. But, I think your thought of them being HPH-24 is going to be correct. I found out yesterday they are Gordy's favorite. But the picture on the web site is misleading - because it definitlely shows a 3 petal sabot.. In Knights world.. those may be EZ load as the Knights use to take a HPH-12 sabot - so these should be able to load easier than the 12. Do you have any Harvester crush rib or even their regular black sabots? |
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Post by budga82832 on Dec 31, 2010 16:13:18 GMT -5
We found some Harvester crush rib sabots in a local gun shop. They loaded great but wasn't impressed with the accuracy with Lehigh .452 250gr bullets. The best we could get was a 2" group at 50 yards in our Knight Rifles. Dave from lehigh emailed me an told me they have gotten better accuracy results from the old style harvester short sabot then the crush rib. So I ordered some of those today to try them out. As of today the most accurate bullet we have found so far for our Knight rifles has been the Barnes mz expander using the orange ez load sabots that knight sent us. We could consistently shoot a 5 shot 1/2" group at 50 yards. Once we see what bullets give us the best group at 50 yards we are going to step out to 100 & 150 yards to see what happens.
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Post by grouse on Jan 1, 2011 14:21:49 GMT -5
budga82832Try a MMP HPH-24 sabot or a Regular Harvester sabot. You know I think i would call Knight and discuss those EZ load sabots that you got from them. If they are not 3 petal as the picture shows - they certainly are not EZ loads. And if they load that tight then they are not 24's either - I would suspect they might be 12's which would really surprise me.... but you know what I have a way to find out that I forgot about... Sabotloader, Gordy loves the 4 petal ez load orange sabot. MFG# 900126 here's a bad pic.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2011 15:40:05 GMT -5
When I had an origional Knight DISC I used Harvester smooth sabots with .452 bullets for great accuracy. I have not shot the Lehigh bullet though. I do remember that Harvester CR sabots were way to easy going down the bore.
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