Remington and Savage?

[jddeloa67]

Is the Remington and Savage inline muzzleloader legal inOregon?

Thanks for your help

[whyohe]

do you have what the regs say the restrictions are?

[whyohe]

here are the restrictions i found on line but need definitions fro what is considered centerfire.

Muzzleloader

•Scopes (permanent and detachable), and sights that use batteries, artificial light or energy are not allowed during muzzleloader-only seasons and 600 series hunts where there is a weapon restriction of shotgun/muzzleloader only or archery/muzzleloader only, except for visually impaired hunters who have a visual acuity of ≤ 20/200 with lenses or visual field of ≤ 20 degrees (a permit is required; please see page 86). Open and peep sights made from alloys, plastic, or other materials that do not have the properties described above are legal sights. Fiber optics and fluorescent paint incorporated into or on open or iron sights are legal.


•It is illegal to hunt with on-lead bullets, jacketed bullets, sabots, and bullets with plastic or synthetic bases during muzzleloader-only seasons and 600 series hunts where there is a weapon restriction of shotgun/muzzleloader only or archery/muzzleloader only. Conical lead or lead alloy bullets with a length that does not exceed twice the diameter and lead or lead alloy round balls used with cloth, paper, or felt patches are allowed.


•It is illegal to hunt with centerfire primers as an ignition source during muzzleloader-only seasons and 600 series hunts where there is a weapon restriction of shotgun/muzzleloader only or archery/muzzleloader only.


•It is illegal to hunt with pelletized powders or propellants during muzzleloader-only seasons and 600 series hunts where there is a weapon restriction of shotgun/muzzleloader only or archery/muzzleloader only. Granular (loose) black powder and black powder substitutes are the only legal propellants during muzzleloader-only seasons and 600 series hunts where there is a weapon restriction of shotgun/muzzleloader only or archery/muzzleloader only.


•No other firearm may be used for hunting during a muzzleloader-only season (See definition page 10 or regulations book).


•Muzzleloading firearms with revolving actions are prohibited during muzzleloader-only seasons and 600 series hunts where there is a weapon restriction of shotgun/muzzleloader only or archery/muzzleloader only.

To me it sounds like you can only use flintlock or percussion cap ignition and must shoot full bore lead bullets or patch and round ball and be loose granular powder. so during ML season the savage and remington are out but you can use them during rifle season. I would say call the oregon state game and fish comission for complete clarification.

[magnumman44]

I think I would just move!!!

[GMB54-120]

Wouldnt the original Rem ML with a cap still be legal with a conical?

The breach is an open design also....correct?

A good old White Rifle or a Knight MK-85 should also fit the requirements and are deadly accurate.

[sabotloader]

jddeloa67

The Remington with cap ignition is legal in Oregon. The Savage is not.

If you can find a Remington they are excellent older guns and very accurate. They will also shoot conicals very well.

[realhunter]

I believe tha savage would be legal in the centerfire season...

[jddeloa67]

Thanks for all your tips and info on both guns.

[esshup]

Hmmmmmmm.................

Nowhere did I read that a shotgun primer was not allowed.

The Savage uses a granular black powder substitute, doesn't it? ;D

In any case, granular BP can be used in the Savage ML.

The only thing that I see is that you cannot use a sabot. What about a bore sized lead bullet with a felt wad as a base? In any case, unless there is a bore restriction, I don't see why a .45 Pac-Nor barreled Savage couldn't be used.

[sabotloader]

esshup

A 209 primer is considered a centerfire primer in a battery cup. They are not legal in Oregon. Has to be a percussion cap or flintlock.

[10ga]

How do they say shotgun/muzzleloader for some of the seasons when the restrictions seem to prohibit shotguns wholesale? Or do the restrictions just apply to MLs?

Just reading the regulations I'd bet they have some real OCD and other unmentionable types of dog catchers, squirrel sheriffs and duck detectives. I imagine at one time the regs allowed "iron" sights and they were arresting anybody that didn't litteraly have sights of "iron", which nobody had as the sights were all alloy, plastic or steel. Jeez, guess they'd think I was some kind of alien for hunting deer with hounds. Later, 10 ga

[toosensitive]

It amazes me to see such diverse rules for taking game around this country. You learn something new every day.