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Post by jeremylong on Nov 21, 2010 22:32:37 GMT -5
I am trying to gather a little more info on how folks like the rem700ML 45 conversions. Debating on the centerfire action vs going the ML version. I am of real interest to those who have a few rounds through a rem700ML and how they like it. Any unforeseen issues pop up during the build.
As I understand it, the pac barrel, standard breech plug(with a little grinding), hunters conversion kit for the bolt, probably some trigger work, and a new stock.
Thanks,
Jeremy
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Post by dave d. on Nov 22, 2010 7:05:18 GMT -5
:)you got it Jeremy its a fairly easy build.
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Post by killitgrillit on Nov 22, 2010 7:58:57 GMT -5
Jeremy,
I'am in the middle of my build right know (thx Dave D and others on this board) it's easy and straight forward. PN has my action right now for timming the flutes when I get everything back I'll take some pics and steps of the build.
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Post by rossman40 on Nov 22, 2010 11:17:42 GMT -5
Having worked on both centerfire and the 700ML I like the ML. The Hunter bolt kit takes care of the biggest problem with the 700ML. The 700ML bolt setup is so much simpler and I think the action is stronger (less flex). The factory synthetic leaves a lot to be desired (like the Savage). A quality aftermarket stock with pillars and then you can replace the 8-32 screw at the front of the trigger guard with a full size action screw for the "third pillar" along with a metal trigger guard. Pitch the "forked" recoil lug for a regular one. Aftermarket triggers are out there but with some TLC the factory trigger is that bad.
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Post by shivesy on Nov 22, 2010 13:12:14 GMT -5
Debating on the centerfire action vs going the ML version. I really don't have any feedback on the Remington BP/ML conversion but I can supply some input on the Remington CF/ ML conversion though. There are a few MINOR processes I find that are a little difficult about the centerfire conversion. 1- The need to cut cases. You need to cut .243 or .308 cases a certain length and install primers in the cut cases.... I have a case trimmer and I installed a spent .243 cartridge into the trimmer. Then I took my sawzaw and cut that case a tad longer then it needed to be..... At this point I trimmed the case back to .890 in total length with the case trimmer.....You need to have a deburring tool in order to take the burrs off the inside and outside edge of this cut case..... This procedure took me about 1 1/2 min per case..... Now the head of the cases have to be measured within one thousands of an inch for proper bolt closure, case and breech plug fit . Out of 60 cases that I cut I had a max of 12 cases that measured the same. So I fit these 12 case up to the breech plug and modified the nipple of the breech plug for proper tight bolt closure fit....... Some case heads were to large for the bolt to close and some case heads were to small and the bolt closure was too loose...... These cases need to match up just right in order for proper ignition of the loaded charge and is a critical step towards sealing the primer to the breech plug for this conversion......This really is a time consuming task that only produced 12 cases for me. I would like to have 40 properly fitting cases on hand....When I go to the range for a few hours I think 40 cases would be enough for me....If you do the math it's going to take approx. 200 cut cases to produce those 40 useable cases...... 200 cases @ 1 1/2 min. = 300 min. plus approx. 160 unused or waisted cases. This is the procedure for housing a primer in the Remington centerfire/ML conversion..... I'm not sure what the procedure is for housing a primer in the Remington BP/ smokeless conversion. but maybe something to think about if your torn between the 2 conversions. 2- Primer install. I had to purchase a cartridge hand primer tool. This tool is used to install primers into the cut cases. Cost me about $40 at our local gun range. Not a big deal but I just didn't have one. 3. Breech plug... You need to be able to shave the nipple of the breech plug flat and square in order fit the case with the bolt....I used a drill press and chucked the plug into the drill. Then I just lowered the plug down onto my bastard file shaving a little at a time. Fitting was a bit stress full.... Take to much off the plug and your back to searching for a thicker case in step 1 or buying another $95 plug from that nice guy Pete. After proof reading this article it seems like I sound regretful of the Remington CF/ML conversion build.....I don't mean for it to sound that way. What I am trying to say is that maybe the Remington BP/ML conversion might be more simple. I don't know...... But what I do know is that I am so proud of my new rifle ;D and so great full to the ones that invented this type of conversion for me to experiment with. This conversion has been alot of fun and very rewarding..... Now that it's finished, it's time to go out and enjoy my new Remington CF/ML rifle. Hope this helps, Shivesy |
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Post by edge on Nov 22, 2010 13:26:45 GMT -5
Shivesy, I have not done this as I have a lot of machines at my disposal.....sometimes  I bet that the too tight cases are only a few thousandths too thick. If you buy a primer pocket uniforming tool you could sand a small amount off of the back of the case head. When they fit your rifle then just deepen the primer pocket so that it is flush. edge. |
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Post by killitgrillit on Nov 22, 2010 13:35:56 GMT -5
Shivesy,
what cases where you trying, Remmy, federal etc.
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Post by shivesy on Nov 22, 2010 15:05:40 GMT -5
Shivesy, I have not done this as I have a lot of machines at my disposal.....sometimes I bet that the too tight cases are only a few thousandths too thick. If you buy a primer pocket uniforming tool you could sand a small amount off of the back of the case head. When they fit your rifle then just deepen the primer pocket so that it is flush. edge. edge, Your right about the cases that are to tight, they are to thick. What's nice about this site are folks like you that educate people like me. Primer pocket uniform tool, that's a new one on me. Never heard of such a tool but I think I can understand it's use. Where do I get one? Does it shave material from the inside of the case or the outside of the case? Killitgrillit, Federal & Hornady cases. |
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Post by edge on Nov 22, 2010 15:17:30 GMT -5
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Post by rr on Nov 22, 2010 18:21:30 GMT -5
Jeremy, I have a cf Remington 700 ML, and really like it, had an ignition problem which Dave D helped me with, you have to be really particular about your cases and headspace. I am also waiting on a ML barrell from PN, with the hunter bolt nose and savage breech plug it should be a piece of cake. So just decide and go for it, or just build both!!!!!
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Post by jeremylong on Nov 22, 2010 18:30:16 GMT -5
Just bought a 700ML so it looks like I am going this way on this one. Thanks for the help guys. I am sure I will have a few more questions along the way. Thanks again.
Jeremy
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Post by michael on Nov 25, 2010 7:07:05 GMT -5
Well my conversion process needs started I was wondering if Pete that builds the breech plugs has a web site
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Post by trb0 on Nov 25, 2010 16:20:20 GMT -5
Doe's the 700 ML seal itself from the weather and blowby or is is open to the elements? I'm gonna build a 45 pacnor for a hunting rifle and want the primer to be sealed like a Savage or Remington CF. Thanks Tim
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Post by dannoboone on Nov 25, 2010 16:34:50 GMT -5
Well my conversion process needs started I was wondering if Pete that builds the breech plugs has a web site No, he doesn't. However, his email is pamachine@epix.net and his phone # is 610-923-9234 |
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Post by hunter on Nov 25, 2010 18:10:19 GMT -5
trb0,
The extended bolt kit that I have is very similar to the savage in that the bolt nose holds the 209 primer and the primer seats into the factory savage plug. The savage bolt does protrude further into the action than our 700ml kit. The blowback in our regular 700ml conversion is very close to blowback free and with proper head spacing the extended bolt nose kit for the smokeless build should be very similar in results. So in this way the primer is sealed like the savage. I have not done a smokeless build so I will leave that to those who have. I know that our regular 700ml conversion kits are very similar to the savage as far as blowback, ect.
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Post by trb0 on Nov 25, 2010 18:42:20 GMT -5
Thanks hunter. I've been trying to decide which route to take on this project.Savage, Remington ML or Remington CF. I have asked alot of questions on here and I appreciate everyones patience and helpful responses. I've pretty much decided to go with a Remington CF. Next week I'm gonna start ordering what I need, pacnor barrel, Remington SPS tactical. I'm not sure how long a wait on the barrel but am expecting awhile.I have a local gunsmith that can do the work but is there anybody that specializes in this?
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Post by michael on Nov 25, 2010 20:48:47 GMT -5
Ok thanks I just bought a REM 700 220swift it already has a hs stock its stainless so after talking to Dave D now I need to call Pete and get this conversion rolling
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Post by michael on Nov 25, 2010 20:53:02 GMT -5
I really want to thank everybody for all the helpful hints especially Dave D I will have a bunch more questions throughout this build
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Post by dave d. on Nov 26, 2010 7:01:33 GMT -5
:)Michael you are more then welcome. Have fun building that awsome muzzleloader.
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Post by michael on Nov 26, 2010 11:09:26 GMT -5
Ok so tomorrow I'm gonna go pick up 100 243 casings and primers get them cut down and it will be time to talk to Pete and the main reason for this build is I want to one up my dad he chose to go with the 50 cal from precision its a great set up but after talking to you Dave I think the 45 from pn will do the job and I'm sure it won't be long after my build my dad will do the same
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Post by michael on Nov 27, 2010 19:57:01 GMT -5
Well I bought my casings to get started today but I couldn't find any 215 primers I know I'm getting a head of myself but I figure I should start with the basics before I start placing orders I'm not gonna lie the head spacing thing has me a little nervous but I'm sure with several questions and phone calls I will get it done
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