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Post by GMB54-120 on Oct 28, 2010 11:07:54 GMT -5
Since this isnt about using smokeless with heavy conicals i posted it here.
What seems to be a good starting point for heavy (460gr+) conicals in the Savage using subs? I would like to use 80gr of BH209 if possible since ive used it with other conicals with good results.
My bore appears a bit tight compared to my Extreme 50. Im guessing its right at .501ish since a .501 bullet wont start sabotless.
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Post by whyohe on Oct 28, 2010 11:59:59 GMT -5
I have used T-7 for years befor going smokless. i used 2 pellets with 250 grn SSTs but that is a very light bullet compaired to what you are shooting. IMO start at 80 grn and work up till you find your sweet spot. let us know what your results are.
as a side note clean your BP and ventliners and make sure they break free after every range session and clean the bolt face very good. I developed rust in the cracks of the primer holder and is very hard to get out. I recomend cleaning the gun very well period after using BP subs.
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Post by mike3132 on Oct 28, 2010 13:34:06 GMT -5
Since this isnt about using smokeless with heavy conicals i posted it here. What seems to be a good starting point for heavy (460gr+) conicals in the Savage using subs? I would like to use 80gr of BH209 if possible since ive used it with other conicals with good results. My bore appears a bit tight compared to my Extreme 50. Im guessing its right at .501ish since a .501 bullet wont start sabotless. Just curious, why are you wanting to shoot such heavy bullets? Mike |
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Post by GMB54-120 on Oct 28, 2010 14:09:18 GMT -5
Since this isnt about using smokeless with heavy conicals i posted it here. What seems to be a good starting point for heavy (460gr+) conicals in the Savage using subs? I would like to use 80gr of BH209 if possible since ive used it with other conicals with good results. My bore appears a bit tight compared to my Extreme 50. Im guessing its right at .501ish since a .501 bullet wont start sabotless. Just curious, why are you wanting to shoot such heavy bullets? Mike White Rifles are a 1-24 and they shoot them very well and not all of us are speed junkies.  |
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Post by 10ga on Oct 28, 2010 16:21:00 GMT -5
I used to shoot 405 and 444 conicals in a White Bison and my Firehawk. I suggest start at 60 gr. by volume. Work up by 5 gr. increments. I had to get away from heavy bullets as with age I have become more recoil sensitive. Lotsa recoil there. As with 460 bullet and 60 gr powder makes 520 gr of ejecta. With 80 gr powder thats 540 gr. ejecta. A LOT of recoil even with moderate speed. As per with MLII 250 bullet and 45 gr powder is 295 gr of ejecta. A lot less. I still like my smokey guns but mostly shoot RB. 10
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Post by GMB54-120 on Oct 28, 2010 19:15:49 GMT -5
10ga
I know that you mean. My GMB 54 brush gun stoked with a max load of BH209 and a Rem 50-385gr CLHP is just brutal. Im getting a bit old for that kind of abuse. I cant imagine shooting the 580gr Parkers with any charge. :lol:
Conicals i rarely go above 80grs since accuracy usually drops off badly with a few exceptions. Some of Doc Whites suggested loads of Pyro P got a kinda high IMO but they shot well.
My Pedersoli Ovation 50 is also a 1-24 and with 410gr GP conicals it shoots well with 80gr and very well with a 460gr Great Plains. Im actually selling this one and it was my only 1-24.
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Post by moto357 on Nov 2, 2010 7:11:04 GMT -5
I agree that 60gr by volume might be a better place to start. I too suspect the savage would be a good conical shooter, not just cuz of its twist though. I have a mold from mt molds that throws a 590gr gas check conical I originally desined for my white. I'd be glad to send you some of those to try out in the savage if you are interested
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Post by GMB54-120 on Nov 2, 2010 8:17:48 GMT -5
I agree that 60gr by volume might be a better place to start. I too suspect the savage would be a good conical shooter, not just cuz of its twist though. I have a mold from mt molds that throws a 590gr gas check conical I originally desined for my white. I'd be glad to send you some of those to try out in the savage if you are interested Thank you Moto but that is a little larger than i prefer. Ive shot some of the larger Parkers in 50cal and they were a bit much in my Extreme and too much in my Ovation. My Savage bore is pretty tight too. Im sure its under .502 and probably under .501 since a .500 FTX wont start with finger pressure and they will in my Knight with a little knurling. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2010 14:10:29 GMT -5
the maker of the Thor bullet shoots them in his savage with smokeless powder. Its an all copper bullet thats sized to your bore. May want to shoot Thor an email.
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Post by sabotloader on Nov 2, 2010 16:10:28 GMT -5
gmb54120Remember Dan @ Bull Shop has a lot wider variety of conicals and will size them to your needs.... 
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Post by GMB54-120 on Nov 2, 2010 16:35:29 GMT -5
sabotloader
Yep, i think that is what will work best for me too.
The 445gr UC short looks good (if its flat based) for just some fun and if i remember correctly they are very affordable.
I really wish he would make a sabot version of that one with smooth sides and no lube for my 54x50 loads.
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Post by sabotloader on Nov 2, 2010 16:55:09 GMT -5
gmb54120
Actually if you cleaned the lube of them or ordered them un-lubed and sized them correct - i bet they would shoot very well out of a sabot.
Do not let the rings fool you - guys shooting 45-70's want those rings in there....
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Post by moto357 on Nov 4, 2010 12:18:03 GMT -5
i agree the lube grooves wont matter with a sabot. shot plenty myself with good results, but just for an example with the savage my father shoots unlubed unsized cast 435gr .459 bullets in his savage and it groups incredible..
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