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Post by smitty on Feb 18, 2009 21:37:33 GMT -5
First post but I've been a long time viewer. Once again thanks to everyone for all the great info & tips which are truly priceless once you have Savageitis. I'm looking for a Savage breech plug that can use 45 acp cases like the Remingtons plugs Pete is currently making. Long story short I have a the Pacnor 45 barrel on a Savage Precesion Target action with the bolt head modified to accept 209's (thanks dave or edge ?) My current setup works but I'm looking for a better mouse trap.
Smitty
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Post by olegburn on Feb 18, 2009 22:03:55 GMT -5
Yeah,that is a good question.
Savage has a lot of left-hand CF that I'd consider to convert.
Remington action is good and DaveD and edge figured it out,but as a lefty it is almost impossible to find it in left hand mod. for a "donor" action.
Savage's Accutrigger is also hard to beat.
olegburn
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Post by edge on Feb 19, 2009 10:12:09 GMT -5
The reason I made the short plug was when I replaced my original Savage barrel with a custom one, I made it without the barrel nut. Since the new barrel thickness, after the recoil lug, was about twice as thick as the Savage barrel I decided that I could get buy with a shorter plug. All I did was to shorten the "snout" on a standard breechplug and not bore the mating section of my barrel.  If you are using a standard Savage taper barrel with barrel nut, then you probably should stick to a standard length breechplug, IMO. However, if you chose to use a short plug then you need to have Pac-Nor bore the barrel for the shorter plug. If you are using a centerfire action then the 45 case version make priming much easier. edge. |
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Post by smitty on Feb 19, 2009 15:00:41 GMT -5
Edge,
Thanks for the info. Do you think the standard length savage breechplug can be modified to accept the 45 case ?
smitty
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Post by edge on Feb 19, 2009 15:53:46 GMT -5
IMO, the only reason would be that Pete might not want to make a 1-off plug!
If others want to buy a Stevens 200 or some other Savage action then I see no reason why there might not be a market for it. If he makes it, I would ask for a recessed version to reduce the flame path.
edge.
PS if someone wanted a .45 right off, that would be the way to go....
The case is a lot more convenient than 209 primers, but you do need to de-prime and prime the cases.
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Post by smitty on Feb 19, 2009 16:15:08 GMT -5
Well you hit the nail on the head ! My thoughts are to assemble another Pacnor barreled ML but using more economical parts. Like possibly using the new Marlin XL7 action since you can buy the whole gun for less than $300 ? My problem is I'm no machinist and I'm sure Pete will need specs and dimensions to go by to modify his current SS savage plugs? Any chance that the front of the savage plug could match the remington so he could use those dimensions  Hope is a good thing : ) smitty |
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Post by edge on Feb 19, 2009 16:22:31 GMT -5
The Remington plug is just a little longer than the Savage plug, but since you would be using a barrel nut it should not matter.
I will try to double check my dimensions just to be sure.
edge.
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Post by screwbolts on Feb 19, 2009 18:25:43 GMT -5
Well you hit the nail on the head ! My thoughts are to assemble another Pacnor barreled ML but using more economical parts. Like possibly using the new Marlin XL7 action since you can buy the whole gun for less than $300 ? My problem is I'm no machinist and I'm sure Pete will need specs and dimensions to go by to modify his current SS savage plugs? Any chance that the front of the savage plug could match the remington so he could use those dimensions Hope is a good thing : ) smitty I like the way you think Smitty, What will you call it ? Marlage, Savlin, or a combination of 4 names ;D Ken CNY |
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Post by smitty on Feb 19, 2009 19:23:01 GMT -5
Thanks again Edge I'll be looking forward to your imput as well all others. Screwbolts that's good stuff ! Guess I'll have to come up with a name once it's completed.
smitty
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Post by edge on Feb 20, 2009 9:21:19 GMT -5
I have looked for the XL7 on gunbroker, and the prices have gone down since I looked last year  The buy it now price is often in the 250-260 range, but you need shipping and FFL, so a shade over 300 is about where you will probably end up unless you have a store that carries Marlin. nearby. I still have not confirmed that the Savage barrel will fit the Marlin action! edge. www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=122862711As Mike said, you can buy a single shot action from Northlander.
Something that I have been looking into since I have an extra junk 45 cal barrel is another cheapo donor rifle.
Last time I bought a Savage Model 110 and with shipping and FFL was about $400.00
Being the cheap SOB that I am I have been looking at the Marlin XL7
www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/CenterfireBoltAction/default.asp
Which I understand, but have not yet confirmed has the same barrel thread as the Savage!
These can be had for under $275.00 which is about as cheap as anything that I have found.
You then need to decide on a custom breechplug and using rifle primers in cartridge cases, or a standard breechplug and a custom bolt head.
edge.
PS The Marlin has a Pro-Fire trigger which appears to be an Accutrigger knock off! I have no idea how this is though. |
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Post by smitty on Feb 20, 2009 13:25:43 GMT -5
A local gun dealer has a Marlin XL7 in stock tagged for $309 and they mentioned that a wood stock version may also be availible this year. If the barrel threads happen to be different than the ML II ? Maybe Pacnor could just change the thread size when making the barrel as it wasn't an issue for them to make my dd barrel with the large shank threads for the target action??
smitty
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Post by dave d. on Feb 20, 2009 17:57:02 GMT -5
:)smitty i'm sure if the threads were different on the marlin pac-nor would accomidate.
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Post by screwbolts on Feb 20, 2009 21:33:16 GMT -5
Smitty: In checking on the Marlin XL7 I found that they have announced the XS7 now, that is the Short action, I would like to find one in 7x08 to use as a Donner ;D. By the way I have a MR7 30-06 that is a Tack driver! Has harvested Caribou at 500 yards. ;D
Ken
"We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to
Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake
to find they have Communism."
- Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev, 1959
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Post by smitty on Mar 19, 2009 15:37:29 GMT -5
Finally had a chance to talk to Pete today about making a Savage style breech plug to use 45acp cases. First I have to say what a pleasure it was to talk to him ! What a great guy.
Sounded like he will also make this style breechplug if there is enough interest to justify the time & labor involved. So IF enough people show an interest I'll need Dave or Edge or another more knowledgeable person than myself to step in and help him with recommended dimensions etc.
smitty
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Post by dave d. on Mar 19, 2009 16:20:20 GMT -5
:)smitty,i can call pete but if you are using a barrel nut i would suggest a deep recess because you are going to use lrp.
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Post by encoreguy on Mar 19, 2009 16:47:31 GMT -5
:)smitty,i can call pete but if you are using a barrel nut i would suggest a deep recess because you are going to use lrp. Would it be very hard to modify the brass to accept a 209 primer or do you still think the LRP would be the best way to go? |
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Post by smitty on Mar 19, 2009 17:02:53 GMT -5
Dave,
Yes I'm using a barrel nut and I mentioned that a recessed plug was recommended. I'm no machinist and the knowledge & experience of many on this board far exceeds mine so I appreciate all suggestions.
Thanks,
smitty
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Post by dave d. on Mar 19, 2009 18:17:39 GMT -5
:)smitty,i can call pete but if you are using a barrel nut i would suggest a deep recess because you are going to use lrp. Would it be very hard to modify the brass to accept a 209 primer or do you still think the LRP would be the best way to go? :)kyle the brass can be modified but it's much less expensive to use the case with lrp's. |
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