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Post by dave d. on Oct 26, 2010 20:47:03 GMT -5
:)guys i talked to casey at pacnor today and he had some #'s between 2 700ml actions and there was around .025 difference between the 2 so a prefit is out of the question.but there are a couple other options.1-you can send him the gun and he will headspace it$.2-for $65 over the cost of the barrel they can make the barrel with a barrel nut like the savage and you could headspace it yourself.there was some other news about getting past the recoil lug with the longer boltnose it passes the recoil lug by .050.there is one other solution for a prefit if fred's machinist would know make the hex on the plug longer by say .050 that would make up the differences between guns and a guy could file down the hex to headspace his gun.i know its alot to ask of fred because he has been a great help with getting the boltnose's lengthened so as of right now our options are 1&2.sorry guys but this is it for now.
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Post by dave d. on Oct 27, 2010 8:36:52 GMT -5
 I thought about what I wrote last night and I don't know how much I like option #2 because that puts ignition right under the barrel nut.
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Post by bteague on Oct 27, 2010 11:59:09 GMT -5
Dave i called Penny yesterday.She never said anything about this.I was told my barrel should be ready next week. I gotta say this upsets me a little bit.Im 10 or 11 weeks into this.Who do iI need to talk to at Pac-Nor to get the correct info.Billy
P.S. What is the price for them to head space to my action
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Post by dave d. on Oct 27, 2010 12:58:49 GMT -5
b I remember saying awhile back that there would be no prefits until we had the longer boltnose and some #'s. I'm sorry but if you guys want to take a # somewhere in-between and live with it if its little short we can do that? If yours happens to whined up long you will just have to grind back the plug little. There is one other solution if you were able to give pacnor accurate numbers then they can make it to your specs. Come on guys post and let me know what you guys want and ill set it up. Again sorry
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Post by rossman40 on Oct 27, 2010 13:54:13 GMT -5
I like the extra meat on the barrel that going without the barrel nut provides, your looking at 1.200 diameter compared to 1.060. I defenatly want the breech plug into this area. .025" isn't that much, can hunter have the nose .050 longer? I mean being able to take a factory breechplug and just grind the hex head down a bit is much better then buying a custom plug. Your not guaranteed availability down the road and another problem I have is the custom breechplugs floating around are 303 SS and are not hardened.
Then again what about taking .050 of the face of the action or set a # from the bolt face to the face of the action. You could set the spec and true the action face in one set-up.
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Post by dave d. on Oct 27, 2010 14:18:30 GMT -5
ken they are clambered for a savage plug. If everyone is alright with this I will have him headspace it .050 long and you will just need to cut back the hex on the plug. Agreed
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Post by rr on Oct 27, 2010 14:28:03 GMT -5
Dave, I'm agreeable with you..
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Post by rangeball on Oct 27, 2010 15:46:25 GMT -5
ken they are clambered for a savage plug. If everyone is alright with this I will have him headspace it .050 long and you will just need to cut back the hex on the plug. Agreed I have no dog in this hunt but that sure sounds like the simple solution. |
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Post by rossman40 on Oct 27, 2010 16:27:26 GMT -5
I have to agree that would be the simplest route, just about everybody has access to a grinder.
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Post by bteague on Oct 27, 2010 17:37:01 GMT -5
Dave my complaint was not aimed at you.It's that i was on the phone with Pac-Nor yesterday.And i actually ask if everything was worked out.I was told yes.Penny told me some of the barrels were about to be shipped.Mine was going to be the next one out.Then i read your post this morning and apparently that is not the case at all.I am agreed .050 long.Billy
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Post by deadon on Oct 27, 2010 18:10:34 GMT -5
Dave my complaint was not aimed at you.It's that i was on the phone with Pac-Nor yesterday.And i actually ask if everything was worked out.I was told yes.Penny told me some of the barrels were about to be shipped.Mine was going to be the next one out.Then i read your post this morning and apparently that is not the case at all.I am agreed .050 long.Billy My barrel went from a promised 8 weeks to eleven. I was told that they were short handed due to illnesses. They cannot hire prtime folks to fill in, these are highly trained people and I JUST had to wait for them to get well. Penney and all the folks I spoke with are SUPER!!!!!!! JMO Rusty |
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Post by bteague on Oct 27, 2010 18:19:09 GMT -5
deadon glad your happy.I am only relating my experience.
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Post by hunter on Oct 27, 2010 19:17:28 GMT -5
I think a person could grind of 5-25 thousands from the back of the bolt nose were it fits against the bolt to head space it to fit the savage plug and once it was done the next plug would not need to be worked on. My thinking is we added 85 thousands in this spot so removing what was needed for headspacing should not hurt a thing. The bolt nose should be fitted before the firing pin assembly is fitted.
What do you think
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Post by dave d. on Oct 27, 2010 19:42:59 GMT -5
:)fred either way would work but i would opt for taking it off the plug.once you have your plug headspaced it would be easy to duplicate a new one.
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Post by bteague on Oct 27, 2010 20:16:07 GMT -5
Dave i agree it would be easier to do the plug.Please excuse the earlier venting.Billy
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Post by super7 on Oct 27, 2010 21:10:03 GMT -5
I think .050 sounds good to me. I thought about doing the Rem Nut also. Now I think if Casey can wait a day or 2 , I will give him my new numbers after I get my new bolt nose from hunter. Right now he has good numbers for me, plus the .085 extra for the longer bolt nose.
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Post by rjhans53 on Oct 28, 2010 4:52:02 GMT -5
I don't have a dog in this fight yet either but what about making a couple of .0125 washers to put under the bolt nose where it fits to the bolt, use the standard breech plug and just shim out the bolt nose for head space
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Post by dave d. on Oct 28, 2010 5:50:08 GMT -5
rj you could probably that but we are trying to make a prefit for all. I'm not sure shims like that would be readily available for everyone. I've been so busy getting ready for my sons birthday that I.just realized that I made a mistake on my first post about hunter making a longer plug. we are not using his plug we were always using the savage. sorry for the confusion I was having one of those moments ;D.
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Post by mountainam on Oct 28, 2010 7:02:26 GMT -5
Hunter has the most viable solution to the variances of the headspace. Just be certain that all concerned heed his instructions to make the fit BEFORE any work on the firing pin is started. This will affect firing pin protrusion + or -
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Post by dave d. on Oct 28, 2010 8:35:44 GMT -5
:)mm while it is a viable solution I have to disagree that it is the best. Savage plugs could differ from plug to plug so if you headspace off of one it might not work with another. The way to go is to shave the plug imo.
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Post by mountainam on Oct 28, 2010 8:47:19 GMT -5
Dave D, You are correct. That's the way we do it on our conversion. We re-chuck the plug in the lathe and cut the shoulder at the barrel/body protrusion. But then it's not a user install.
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Post by dave d. on Oct 28, 2010 9:01:57 GMT -5
:)mm maybe I wasn't clear with how the headspaceing will be done it will be off the primer end(hex) of the plug no lathe needed just a drill press, c drill bit,file or grinder and a caliber. most will be able to do the job quite simply.
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Post by dave d. on Oct 28, 2010 14:32:54 GMT -5
:)ok guys as soon as Casey gets all the #'s he needs there will be a prefit. Your headspace will be done of the hex portion of your plug. Anyone that's not sure about the process just give me a pm and I'll go threw it. Goodluck guys
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I thought about what I wrote last night and I don't know how much I like option #2 because that puts ignition right under the barrel nut.
