an odd day at the range

[whyohe]

I had an odd day at the range. i wanted to try some more loads with VV N-110. well i had some 42 grns measured out and 43 grns. I also had some Hornady SSTs. so i know some had real good luck with the 42 and hornadys so decided to try it. first shot was a fouler and high and right. next 2 where in the center 1 inch center to center apart. well i looked and had only 2 more 42 grn??? Oh now i see i have more of the 43 grn that i thought was 42. DOH! ok so i went to try the 43 grns BOOM dead center!! OK im happy. second shot.. KEY HOLED??? low and left. i waited 10 minutes between shots and it was only 55* out and barrel never got warm to the touch. didnt find sabot right away but saw it later and it was shreaded. now my gun is a tight fit and im use to brushing after every shot and good cleaning after every 3rd. I noticed the VV didnt foul my barrel as bad as the H-4198. but i wonder if i still needed to clean like that. it was tight loading but not impossible. i did find some of the other sabots and they were missing pedals butthe cup didnt even have any cracks. I wonder if I am having the same problem as pappy24. so i decided to try the knight TMZ 290 grn boat tails that shot so good with h-4198 and see. well it hit low and left too but not key holeing. Now im out of VV viles and i have some H-4198 and decided to try my goto load and guess what it keyholed??? I wonder if im getting my guns mixed up. this is my stainless laminate, and i have a blued with a tupper ware stock that is now getting a new stock? I think for saturdays opener of inline ill load up some 42 grns of VV N-110 and use that. I'll have to work with this gun again and go over it real well and get some harvester sabots.

[tar12]

N110 is a fickle female at the 42 grn plus mark.IMO,42 grn is the max. that can be shot reliably with out heat related issues in moderatley warm temps.My daughters load of 38 grns is boring accurate and deadly.

[ET]

Whyohe

With a tight fitting SS bore then the black harvester sabot should make a difference as I found out with mine.
Not sure if you are using magnum primers but if you are I would also try a non-magnum primer like CCI-209 with N-110 and your current load.



Ed

[rangeball]

sw has said his testing showed a wool wad under the sabot let him shoot up to I believe 46gr of N110 without sabot disruption. I was blowing sabots with bullets (never a flat base xtp) at 42gr and tried a veggie wad, which didn't help.

If you have or can get some wool wads, wouldn't hurt to give them a try.

[killitgrillit]

I run 46.0grs VVn110 with 250xtp in mmp sabots all the time, no blown sabots and excellent groups. I do use a cooling rod.

[whyohe]

well the 42 did just fine. so that is what im going with for now. ET it is a SS TIGHT bore savage. even with a super clean bore it takes a good bit of pressure to load the yellow saboted TMZs. the SSTs load alittle bit easier but i think it may be streaching the pedals. i think im going to order some harvester BCR and going to try their YCR for boattail bullets and see. I may just call and talk to them and see what they say on the yellow.

I cant remember, any one use the yellow with the TMZs? I do beleave that i have my guns mixed up and i NEED to keep better track.

[ET]

Whyohe

You’re more than welcome to try the BCR Harvester but I think you will find them too loose, I did.
If they still offer the sample package of assorted sabots you may be better off trying them first for fit. But don’t be fooled with trying the black sabot first time on a clean bore as it may appear a little loose also. After a fouling shot they tighten up nicely for a good fit. To help offset the feeling of loose sabot fit on a clean bore I always fire a primer to help foul the bore a little and then all is well.

Regardless of chosen approach, your call and good luck.


Ed

[whyohe]

do you recomend the RCR then? what re you using? I i feel they are too loose then mybe ill buy some files at harbor freight and can knurl the bullets.

[ET]

Whyohe

With my tight bore the RCR are way to tight for .451-.452 bullets. I was lucky to get one through on a clean bore. I’m using the standard black sabot from Harvester that shoots dynamite. It loads as tight as the HPH-24 and the overall diameter between the 2-sabots there is a .002-.003 difference with the harvester sabot being smaller. In order for it to load comparably the same for resistance that alone should tell you something about the Harvester sabot quality.

Yes you can knurl the bullets for a better fit, but do you really want such an additional operation to contend with?
Tight bore, I would recommend going with the black standard Harvester sabot 1st.


Ed