275 parker bullets

[kudzu]

Don't see a lot here on these bullets. Do many of yall shoot them, if so how do you like ,if not ,why ?

[bloodtrailer]

Here's how they shot for me w mmp short sabot and 68grn H4198 at 100 yrds very repeatable 2 ,3 shot groups 15-20 min wait time and cool weather. Look up Harleys sabotless out to 400-500yrds!!!!

[deadeye]

kudzu-my remarks for the 275be are sabotless as i have not shot them saboted. imo -out of my 2 pacs i get .5-.7 accuracy & have launched many out to 488yds,all sub-moa except 1 shot. i have personally observed many deer getting hit from 187 yds out to 315yds. i generally dont like thin-jacked bullets for performance on game but this bullet cannot be denied,it hits as hard as anything i have ever witnessed on deer. the combination of accuracy & terminal on game gets my vote. i cannot believe more mz people are not shooting them also. i like them so well a quantity of 500 or more on shelf

[kudzu]

I reckon my reason for askin is I know a few who shoot em and they are no more expensive than about any other bullet. if you buy the packaged bullets , what sabot comes with them

[bloodtrailer]

The sabots that came with mine shot poorly, but you can see above what happened when I switched the sabot to mmp shorts

[Dave W]

I use them sabotless in the .45 also, 250yds is the farthest I shoot, outstanding accuracy to that distance!

Never tried them in the .50 but I have seen quite a few great groups posted over on Modern from the NULA guys.

[nic58]

Oct 9, 2010 17:03:54 GMT -5 bloodtrailer said:

The sabots that came with mine shot poorly, but you can see above what happened when I switched the sabot to mmp shorts

Mine come with MMP short black sabots directly from Parker. Are you using the Traditions branded ones that came with the EZ Load sabots?

[kudzu]

just got off the phone with mr. parker (ordered me 100 of them 275ers to try). Asked him what sabot he packed his 275's in. His answer MMP HPH12

[rebelrick]

What are the diameter of the 275 grn bullets ?

[deadeye]

.450\but in our application(sabotless) are resizing to .4485 knurling up to fit approx.4505 to bore fit

[rebelrick]

deadeye ,,, Would'nt that be too small to shoot accurate in a 50 with a sabot ?? I thought that was the reason the .458 B.O. shot so accurate in the 50's because it was closer to bore size !!! I'm still learning on these bullets and loads ..

[deadeye]

rebelrick-im talking .45 sabotless-not .50w/sabot

[Harley]

As Bloodtrailer kindly noted, I've found the 275 Parker BE to be sub-moa to 400 yards and approximately MOA at 500 yards, shooting the .45 Pac-Nor sabotless.

I've always under-sized them, then heavily knurled the bullet before a final pass through a "check" die to ensure uniformity.

Today I received Tom Post's adjustable die; I'm starting over (for no good reason except curiosity) to try to size a bullet in one pass, no knurling, that will fit perfectly in my fouled barrel.

I'll start a new thread to list the results.

Harley

[Jon]

Harley. I recieved my swedging die fromTom today also. It actually engraves the bullet I'm impressed.
Jon

[Harley]

Jon, I hope you'll join me in my new thread when I start reporting my sizing results using Tom's die. I'll title it something like "Swinglock Adjustable Die".

Harley

[deadeye]

im looking forward to this report as im probably going to purchase one. what was the wait time on your order?

[tar12]

Oct 9, 2010 21:33:49 GMT -5 Harley said:

As Bloodtrailer kindly noted, I've found the 275 Parker BE to be sub-moa to 400 yards and approximately MOA at 500 yards, shooting the .45 Pac-Nor sabotless.

I've always under-sized them, then heavily knurled the bullet before a final pass through a "check" die to ensure uniformity.

Today I received Tom Post's adjustable die; I'm starting over (for no good reason except curiosity) to try to size a bullet in one pass, no knurling, that will fit perfectly in my fouled barrel.

I'll start a new thread to list the results.

Harley

I am all ears! ;D

[Dave W]

Oct 9, 2010 20:53:40 GMT -5 rebelrick said:

deadeye ,,, Would'nt that be too small to shoot accurate in a 50 with a sabot ?? I thought that was the reason the .458 B.O. shot so accurate in the 50's because it was closer to bore size !!! I'm still learning on these bullets and loads ..

In my experiences, the .458's are easier to find a good to great load with a variety of powders but that does not mean sub .458 bullets will not shoot. One of the most accurate bullets in my gun is the .452 250 SST/FTX but it is more particular when it comes to powder choices. It shoots best with N110 or duplex of some sort.

[deerhunter]

Where can you buy Tom posts adjustable die ? I shoot parker be 275 sabotless in 45 pac nor but this die wood be good to have. deerhunter

[Harley]

Deadeye and Tar12, I'll start the new thread later today with price, pictures and mounting procedure.

Deadeye, you could hardly call it "wait time"; I ordered the die on Monday, Tom said he wouldn't ship it until he received my check, the post office delivered it Saturday.

Harley

[Harley]

Deerhunter, go to swinglock.net/ for info on Tom Post's die.

Harley

[dougedwards]

I have been using the Swinglock full form die for a few months now and once you discover the correct adjustment for any particular bullet should produce bullets the push easily down the bore and shoot accurately. However, since some bullets seem to spring back more than others I have found it effective to produce a bullet that would slide VERY easily down the bore and knurl up to provide a tighter fit. Sized .452 SST at 250 grains has been producing one inch groupings using 64 gr R-7 at a velocity of 2510-2518 fps. I am currently experimenting with other bullets.

Doug

ooops.......forgot to mention that I am shooting a Pac Nor with a .451 bore diameter not .458

[Harley]

I don't like the sound of that, Doug. If you have to knurl after using the Post die, you're no better off than with the Lee die for a fraction of the cost.

I'm ready to start my own testing; hope my luck is better than yours.

Harley

[deadeye]

harley,i was thinking the same,on your prior post you mention"check die",could you elaborate on this? tia

[Harley]

Deadeye, I just sort of coined the term "check die". What I meant was that after sizing and knurling, I run all those bullets through a final (or check) die; this evens out the variations in final bullet diameter caused by knurling and should result in uniform seating pressure.

Harley

[deadeye]

i am assuming the "check die" is a set of digital calipers checking on uniformity? just did not want to miss out ;D

[Harley]

Deadeye, the check die is an actual Lee bullet sizing die that just happens to be a good fit for the previously knurled bullet.

Harley

[dougedwards]

Oct 10, 2010 11:39:55 GMT -5 Harley said:

I don't like the sound of that, Doug. If you have to knurl after using the Post die, you're no better off than with the Lee die for a fraction of the cost.

I'm ready to start my own testing; hope my luck is better than yours.

Harley

Harley........most of the 250 grain SSTs do just fine but I have had some trouble getting consistent fitting for any of the Barnes all copper bullets. Every now and then a SST will have to be almost pounded down the barrel also. I am not sure why. But you have to remember that I am sizing .452 bullets to fit a .451 bore where I suppose you are sizing .458 bullets to fit a .458 bore. Correct me if I am wrong.

Doug

[Harley]

Doug, I am sizing two bullets, the 300 gn XTP (.452") that I use only for fouling, and the 275 Parker BE (.451"). My fouled bore requires ~.450" finished bullet diameter.

Harley

[kudzu]

Oct 9, 2010 19:23:49 GMT -5 kudzu said:

just got off the phone with mr. parker (ordered me 100 of them 275ers to try). Asked him what sabot he packed his 275's in. His answer MMP HPH12

This needs to be corrected. After speakin to mr. parker again, the hph12 is not the sabot that his 275BE are packaged in. It's the MMP short black, its the one with the smooth cup, not the stepped down cup.