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Post by stubblejumper on Oct 2, 2010 13:30:40 GMT -5
I have noticed on my last two breech plugs that there was rust on the unthreaded portion at the end of deer season. I have been taking it off with emery cloth, and then I leave the plug out over the winter until shooting again in the spring.
Can the rust cause any problems other than cosmetics and is there anything I can do to prevent this?
The gun is stainless and I try to make sure there is no moisture in that area when I assemble it.
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Post by Richard on Oct 2, 2010 13:43:40 GMT -5
Keep it clean and apply anti-seize and it will not rust. I would get myself a small stainless wire brush for cleaning it.
Richard
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Post by stubblejumper on Oct 2, 2010 14:52:02 GMT -5
To clarify... apply antisieze to the unthreaded portion as well as the threads?
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Post by nic58 on Oct 2, 2010 16:59:00 GMT -5
You don't want any type of oil or anti seize on the unthreaded nose of the plug if you are about to shoot the gun. I spray the entire outside of the plug with Rem Oil when storing the gun, but clean it off good before shooting. Sounds like you just need to oil the outside of the plug when storing the rifle to prevent rust.
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Post by stubblejumper on Oct 2, 2010 17:24:06 GMT -5
When I store it in the off season I actually remove the plug now and oil it but this rust has occured both times during the 2 month season when I dont like to touch anything once the gun is shooting well. Our humidity where I live is also fairly low compared to most locations.
One of my thoughts was perhaps some leakage of gas into this area allowing rust to form there???
I would be very nervous about shooting with any kind of substance at all on this area of the plug
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Post by cuda on Oct 2, 2010 19:00:32 GMT -5
Clean the rust off and blue it then oil it up to store it. The bluing will help stop the rust.
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Post by stubblejumper on Oct 2, 2010 19:15:13 GMT -5
Richard
Re reading your post that's obviuosly not what you meant. Sorry about that.
How often should I brush it? I don't target shoot a lot but I drill it out after about 25 shots, check the vent liner, and reapply anti sieze to the threads of both. 25 shots can be anywhere from 3 days to 3 months though.
Also after cleaning I fire a 3 shot group to check everything and foul the barrel. In hunting season the gun could remain like that for a few weeks. I guess I could remove and clean the exterior of the plug after shooting the fouling shots but that makes me nervous as I dont want anything changed after sighting in.
It just seems strange that it will rust this quickly
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Post by tdillinger on Oct 2, 2010 21:54:00 GMT -5
i must say i a m a fanatic abute a clean weapon. Millitary/ father i guess. clean after each and then use light oil. No reason to get rust.
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Post by Al on Oct 3, 2010 2:51:14 GMT -5
the Savage plug is made from carbon steel, I'm guessing a 4000 series as it is hardened a bit, with a black oxide finish.
I've noticed on my hardened 17-4 stainless plugs, I will get some rust spots on the face of the plug from time to time, only seems to show up on the hardened ones, never the unhardened ones. Heck. might have something to do with the powder type and carbon deposits for all I know.
For what it's worth, I use the copper never sieze on all my plugs, and everything gets gooped up, I even lightly smear the face where it seals up against the barrel, no firing issues to date.
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Post by stubblejumper on Oct 3, 2010 9:33:27 GMT -5
Thanks Al
I'm curious as to what other hunters here do for cleaning during the hunting season. My gun definitely prefers a fouled barrel and its not practical to clean and foul during the season as I might hunt one day and not get out again for a while, but I want the gun ready if I can sneak away for a couple of hours.
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Post by lwh723 on Oct 3, 2010 9:45:29 GMT -5
Since I got one of the SS plugs from pete I just leave mine in. Back when I had a stock savage plug, I would pull the plug when the gun was going to sit as it would rust like yours does. Never really saw a change in impact, but it bothered me that I had to loosen the rear bolt to pull the plug. Of course, there are ways around that (easiest being get a hex head plug, and use a knuckle joint on your socket).
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Post by nic58 on Oct 3, 2010 10:07:37 GMT -5
I've left mine loaded for up to a couple weeks during hunting season and I've never had any rust issues on the breechplug. I've pretty much used VVN120 exclusively for a hunting load so I don't know if that has anything to play into it or not. But luckily, no rust for me so far!
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Post by Richard on Oct 3, 2010 16:31:19 GMT -5
Pulling a breech plug and re-lubing threads is not going to change you POI! When you grease the vent liner, just don't leave a "glob" on anti-seize on the tip or on the head. If in doubt, run a wire thru the hole? Should be a no brainer?
I use my allen wrench to hold the vent liner while I apply the anti-seize with a small brush. The use it to insert the screw into the plug. Done!
Richard
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Post by tdillinger on Oct 3, 2010 16:57:07 GMT -5
Since I got one of the SS plugs from pete I just leave mine in. Back when I had a stock savage plug, I would pull the plug when the gun was going to sit as it would rust like yours does. Never really saw a change in impact, but it bothered me that I had to loosen the rear bolt to pull the plug. Of course, there are ways around that (easiest being get a hex head plug, and use a knuckle joint on your socket). Question (s) does the ss stand for stainless steel? if so what is the vent liner made of? Who is Pete? How do I get one?  |
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Post by Dave W on Oct 3, 2010 17:58:44 GMT -5
Yes Pete's plugs are stainless steel.
#610-923-9234
e-mail-pamachine@epix.net
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Post by stubblejumper on Oct 3, 2010 18:16:39 GMT -5
Richard
If there is no risk of POI shift when loosening the rear screw to pull the plug then why the bother of installing third screws etc? Maybe I worry for nothing...I will try it a few times next time at the range.
Is there any disadvantage of going to a SS plug?
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Post by tdillinger on Oct 3, 2010 19:00:56 GMT -5
Yes Pete's plugs are stainless steel. #610-923-9234 e-mail-pamachine@epix.net Thanks Dave W i sent him an email. |
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Post by ozark on Oct 3, 2010 20:03:26 GMT -5
Rust on the nose of the Breech plug leads me to question if perhaps there is also rust on the barrel that it mates against. I would think that area would need attention. Otherwise you may be screwing the breach plug up against a area that contains rust. I have never heard that rust was contagious but it seems likely.
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Post by tdillinger on Oct 3, 2010 20:42:35 GMT -5
Rust on the nose of the Breech plug leads me to question if perhaps there is also rust on the barrel that it mates against. I would think that area would need attention. Otherwise you may be screwing the breach plug up against a area that contains rust. I have never heard that rust was contagious but it seems likely. Back when, i was taught that dissimilar metals did cause conditions to other metals. think it was mostly alloys, copper and magenesium and maybe chromoly etc, SST and carbon steel are disimilar and will react to one another but a very slow rate,decades will pass before any notice. oils and lubes will make the reaction so lathargic, if you are not using the weapon, oil it up. Now days i use my caume sealer to store guns in a safe that temp controlled. |
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Post by Dave W on Oct 3, 2010 21:10:40 GMT -5
Yes Pete's plugs are stainless steel. #610-923-9234 e-mail-pamachine@epix.net Thanks Dave W i sent him an email. He neglects e-mails sometimes so if you get no response within a week give him a call. Great guy to deal with. |
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Post by stubblejumper on Oct 3, 2010 22:12:59 GMT -5
Ozark
Good call...there was also some rust on the mating surface of the stainless barrel.? It was a #$@ to get in there but I think I got it all
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