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Post by cfvickers on Aug 20, 2010 3:03:51 GMT -5
OK, its 250 in the morning, got off later than normal for thursdays, so I am driving home and a thought crossed my mind,I cannot figure out how it would kill me anyway. I placed 2 .451 inch round balls in a long black MMP sabot, and intend to see if I can hit anything with it. Just playing and having fun with this thing now. I put it over 40 grains of 4759, the weight is 273.2 grains for the two round balls combined. 136.6 each. I shredded a black CR sabot today with a 300 grain remington hollow point in it, the other two were fine, the barrel may have gotten warm on me. I fired three shots and it was hot out, I don't know what shot it was in the sequence, the other two were fine, and the bullet landed inside a two inch group. Still even with the .458 bullet the TC Superglide sabot did well with a 1.5 inch triangle group. the black CR was a 2 inch straight across line. loading was of course more difficult than with a .452 with the superglide but no harder than with the crush rib that was supposedly made for a .458 bullet. and the sabot looked the same as it does with the 225 grain bullet, and all of the TC SGs landed within a 3 foot circle 23 yards in front of the gun.maybe even two feet, they were laying all right together, I was impressed with this, the others go everywhere. If you are having trouble finding a load for your gun, I recommend trying the superglide sabot, it seems to work well in my rifle, yours may differ, and I am still very inexperienced, so take that opinion as you like. here is a picture of a target from Wednesday when i tried it against an MMP Short black sabot.  |
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Post by cfvickers on Aug 20, 2010 3:04:52 GMT -5
The pink square I was shooting was 1 inch by 1 inch. this was with 46 grains 4759.
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Post by herman on Aug 20, 2010 5:34:06 GMT -5
Years ago it was deemed dangerous to shoot 2 balls in a reg muzzleloader,I believe it was mmp that came out with a sabot that you could put a ball in each end to shoot them.Then they were took off the market beacuse that was a no no.I used this to take a big 8 pointer years ago and shoot a bunch with an old side lock without any problem.But be carefull if you try this.
I tried the red sabots that come with the sst's with the .458 and they worked fine in my 50 cal.But the CR went down a tad easier and was a little more consistant.
Think I had a post on this sometime back.
You must have a tight barrel to shoot the slick sabots with the .452's,they are way too loose in my barrel with the .452.
Looks like they worked great for you.
Good shooting.
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Post by cfvickers on Aug 22, 2010 11:47:04 GMT -5
Yeah it won't slide down with one hand like the package says, but it is easy to push them down with two. There is very little velocity difference between the MMP and the Superglide sabots in my gun, the superglide just goes down quite a bit easier. They hold up well, the rear of the sabot will bell out a little but the only one I have seen that doesn't do that is the long black MMP, those usually look as though they can be reused. long as they are accurate I don't care if they bell a little, I would be looking elsewhere if they were shredding or weren't shooting straight. I have only pushed the 225 to about 2300 FPS so far though with either sabot.
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Post by Richard on Aug 22, 2010 15:29:12 GMT -5
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Post by cfvickers on Aug 22, 2010 18:11:03 GMT -5
Oh sorry, there were actually two topics in the thread, Didn't mean to confuse. Didn't feel like starting two threads.
Found that the stories told earlier were true. The first went off without a hitch, exactly 8 inches low two hits 3 inches apart, centered in the middle of the target. I was happy! Then the second the balls exited the barrel, I didn't find them but they never reached my chronograph 12 feet in front of the bore. the sabot remained in the barrel. Stopped all testing.
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Post by Richard on Aug 22, 2010 18:31:18 GMT -5
Thanks!
Richard
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Post by edge on Aug 22, 2010 19:03:16 GMT -5
I think that Mel Taylor used to shoot round balls in sabots using light loads...but I may be wrong.
It may be on the old board but I think that it may have been before 2004 and lost forever.
edge.
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Post by cfvickers on Aug 23, 2010 17:08:47 GMT -5
Probably not many still reading this thread, but for those that do,
Savage Customer Service tells me I can use an aftermarket vent liner for a 10 ML even if it states that it is for a 10ML II. Is this true, are the vent liners interchangeable? If not where can I get a better one than the factory model for an old 10 ML. I was hoping maybe to get one of the 2 hole ones and maybe I can get a little better ignition with powders other than 4759.
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Post by edge on Aug 23, 2010 17:25:44 GMT -5
Probably not many still reading this thread, but for those that do, Savage Customer Service tells me I can use an aftermarket vent liner for a 10 ML even if it states that it is for a 10ML II. Is this true, are the vent liners interchangeable? If not where can I get a better one than the factory model for an old 10 ML. I was hoping maybe to get one of the 2 hole ones and maybe I can get a little better ignition with powders other than 4759. The threads are the same. The ML-1 was a set screw whereas the ML-II is a countersink screw. The ML-II will fit but it is not a perfect fit. The advantage is that the Allen key is larger on the ML-II and it has a large head to prevent crud from getting into the VL threads. To my knowledge Savage never made a 2 hole VL only 1 & 3. I think that the 3 hole VL are only in museums  edge. |
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Post by cfvickers on Aug 23, 2010 22:53:50 GMT -5
I would swear I found an aftermarket one somewhere. Can't remember where. Or I could have just misread. Either way, i want something better than what I have.
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Post by boarhog on Aug 23, 2010 23:29:11 GMT -5
I know nothing about the ML-1. Is it possible to alter the BP so that the fact ML-2 VL is a better fit?
What I've read about the 3 hole VLs is that they washed out really quickly after a certain point. My doubt about them is, if the 3 holes let in more primer flame, it stands to reason that so would a larger single VL hole. But that has been said to be bad. Reducing accuracy above .035, and allowing more pressure and blow by to back flow into the action.
I doubt that you will have any ignition problems using any of the three Savage book powders. You can probably get more speed with slower powders, like H-4198 or RE-7, but may need to use your 4759 as a booster to guarantee ignition, especially with bullets under 300 grains. Next time you're in PB, I'll fix you up with a few vials of whatever you would like to try.
Boarhog
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Post by edge on Aug 24, 2010 5:44:20 GMT -5
I know nothing about the ML-1. Is it possible to alter the BP so that the fact ML-2 VL is a better fit? SNIP Sure, you can probably just take an 82 degree countersink to the end and it should be a good fit. edge. |
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Post by cfvickers on Aug 24, 2010 21:53:35 GMT -5
Well, Don't expect me to go altering anything about my breachplug its self, I would like to do the counter sink thing, and have read about it, but with everything I can do with wood and general repairs, I have a tendency to screw up when needing to drill straight holes in steel or tap a hole, I am just not a great machinist type. I leave that to professionals. and that says something, I am usually the guy that trys to do everything myself before I take it to someone else. I just know what I can and cannot do, that is a cannot. If it will screw down in the hole and be safe, that is good enough for me.
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