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Post by deadon on Jul 21, 2010 6:18:32 GMT -5
Now that I have a pacnor coming ,what do I need beside !95 gr Barnes or 200 gr H 4198 powder, Blue harvester sabots. I need a breach plug or will the one in my 50 fit the pacnor. Also ,if there is anyone who will sell me some sabots, bullets and vent liners,please let me know. I gotta be ready Thanks to all, Rusty PS, anyone who has sent me bullets to try in the last few months, It has been so hot ,I haven't shot. Let me know if you want me to return them, if not I will just pass them on Thanks again, Rusty
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Post by spaniel on Jul 21, 2010 7:55:18 GMT -5
Your plug will be fine I believe. Ventliners I obtained from Leigh Bullets or you can get them from prbullet.com too I think.
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Post by chuck41 on Jul 21, 2010 8:05:51 GMT -5
Assuming you ordered the regular DD version PacNor your existing Savage BP will fit it just fine.
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Post by dougedwards on Jul 21, 2010 11:34:36 GMT -5
I ordered the DD Pac Nor for Rusty today and Penny said that it comes with the breech plug. 25" 1:22 twist 8 groove
If this isn't correct someone please let me know so I can correct the order. Penny said 10 weeks for delivery.
Doug
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Post by DBinNY on Jul 21, 2010 12:35:31 GMT -5
I think it comes machined for the breech plug. You supply the standard Savage plug.
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Post by dougedwards on Jul 21, 2010 12:43:03 GMT -5
I think it comes machined for the breech plug. You supply the standard Savage plug. Possibly I misunderstood. Thanks for clearing that up. Doug
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Post by deadon on Jul 21, 2010 16:08:47 GMT -5
I ordered the DD Pac Nor for Rusty today and Penny said that it comes with the breech plug. 25" 1:22 twist 8 groove If this isn't correct someone please let me know so I can correct the order. Penny said 10 weeks for delivery. Doug I think that is perfect, but what do I know ;D I did not know there were different grove choices. Is the blue Harv 4 petal" I am thinking about indexing.
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Post by Richard on Jul 21, 2010 18:19:44 GMT -5
Rusty..............Let me know when you get your barrel and I will send you some tan mmp sabots. I just sent Kerry about 300 which he uses in his SMI. Both Herman and I have used them in our PN's and they do shoot ok ............Just not as well as the Blue Harvesters. In ten weeks I should have collected a bunch more. They come with the Hornady SST's and I just toss them in a drawer. Of all the PN's I have put on, NONE came with a breech plug! They are "machined" for the Savage breech plug. A direct fit from you present barrel. Richard
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Post by deadon on Jul 21, 2010 18:25:37 GMT -5
Rusty..............Let me know when you get your barrel and I will send you some tan mmp sabots. I just sent Kerry about 300 which he uses in his SMI. Both Herman and I have used them in our PN's and they do shoot ok ............Just not as well as the Blue Harvesters. In ten weeks I should have collected a bunch more. They come with the Hornady SST's and I just toss them in a drawer. Of all the PN's I have put on, NONE came with a breech plug! They are "machined" for the Savage breech plug. A direct fit from you present barrel. Richard Thank you sir very much. Have you gone completely sabotless?
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Post by boarhog on Jul 21, 2010 20:35:54 GMT -5
Deadon, You will definitely want to keep your original breech plug. The P-N will NOT come with one. I ordered a new Savage hex head plug that uses a socket for removal. Not better than the original, just easier to work! I have recessed all the plugs I own now. Boarhog
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Post by dougedwards on Jul 21, 2010 20:49:12 GMT -5
I feel so stupid. I struggled to dismantle Rusty's 50 cal barrel to send to Boarhog and didn't have to do it at all. I have a 50 cal Savage barrel from my old muzzleloader I could have sent. I struggled trying to get the nut wrench down the barrel to the barrel nut because of the sights and ramrod holder. I eventually had to dismantle the sights which took the smallest slot head screw driver imaginable. I finally found one and after 5 little screws they were off and the barrel nut wouldn't budge when I tried to turn it. I then hit it with a rubber hammer a few times and it broke loose.
When boarhog messaged me telling me that he would feel bad if the Pac Nor barrel were to be delivered late leaving Rusty with no muzzleloader for the season.....I just told him that I would install my barrel on his action. Then it hit me. Why did I do that?? I could have sent Boarhog my barrel and dismantled Rusty's when the Pac Nor got here.
Oh well.......at least we got something accomplished.
Doug
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Post by deadon on Jul 21, 2010 20:55:47 GMT -5
Deadon, You will definitely want to keep your original breech plug. The P-N will NOT come with one. I ordered a new Savage hex head plug that uses a socket for removal. Not better than the original, just easier to work! I have recessed all the plugs I own now. Boarhog I think, CRS ya know, That my disc elite had a hex head BP and it didn't fall on the floor and roll under a chair like this one has Thanks for the info.
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Post by boarhog on Jul 21, 2010 23:37:29 GMT -5
Rusty, The Savage hex head BP won't keep it from rolling away. The head is smaller than the threaded body. I have the CRS desease too. I'm thinking it takes a 3/8" socket, but will look tomorrow to be certain.
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Post by deadon on Jul 22, 2010 4:44:35 GMT -5
Deadon, You will definitely want to keep your original breech plug. The P-N will NOT come with one. I ordered a new Savage hex head plug that uses a socket for removal. Not better than the original, just easier to work! I have recessed all the plugs I own now. Boarhog What does recessing a BP mean? Also,How do the 200 gr SSTs come,box of 10,15,20? I know they come with the harv Blue sabot because of Richards post. How do the barnes 195 gr bullet come, loose,packaged with sabot, any pics of this bullet? I have a lot to learn, glad I am here ;D
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Post by fishhawk on Jul 22, 2010 10:03:29 GMT -5
The 200gr. sst come 20 to the box and come with the tan mmp sabot Richard mentioned sending you. He (and I) buy the harvester blue non crushrib sabot and use it instead of the tan mmp (thats why Richard has so many tan mmp's) We use the blue harvester with the 195gr. barnes also instead of the supplied sabot that comes with them. They come 24 to the pack. These are both .40 caliber bullets saboted to .45. The recessing of the breechplug is what some (including me) have done that is supposed to help insure ignition and possibly improve accuracy. It involves sinking the the ventliner up to 3/4" deeper into the breechplug. This takes a machinists skill, I wouldn't try it with hand tools.
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Post by rangeball on Jul 22, 2010 10:12:46 GMT -5
any pics of this bullet? I have a lot to learn, glad I am here ;D I just received a 24pk. They look exactly like this-
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Post by deadon on Jul 22, 2010 10:49:33 GMT -5
any pics of this bullet? I have a lot to learn, glad I am here ;D I just received a 24pk. They look exactly like this- Thanks Rangeball. Are those all copper hollow points?
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Post by rangeball on Jul 22, 2010 10:57:24 GMT -5
Yes they are.
And you're welcome.
I just did some calculating, and at 2600 fps and a 200yd zero, they are only 3" high and 15" low at 300 yds.
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Post by deadon on Jul 22, 2010 10:58:03 GMT -5
Boarhog, Richard, Doug, DB, Chuck, Spanial, fishhawk and Rangeball, Thank you ,I think I am gettin it
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Post by deadon on Jul 22, 2010 11:03:26 GMT -5
Yes they are. And you're welcome. I just did some calculating, and at 2600 fps and a 200yd zero, they are only 3" high and 15" low at 300 yds. Do you use the 4198 and how many grs? Thanks, Rusty
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Post by deadon on Jul 22, 2010 11:38:23 GMT -5
Yes they are. And you're welcome. I just did some calculating, and at 2600 fps and a 200yd zero, they are only 3" high and 15" low at 300 yds. 300 yards. I'm gonna hafta getta better Scope
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Post by rangeball on Jul 22, 2010 12:19:36 GMT -5
Yes they are. And you're welcome. I just did some calculating, and at 2600 fps and a 200yd zero, they are only 3" high and 15" low at 300 yds. Do you use the 4198 and how many grs? Thanks, Rusty I haven't, yet Bought the supplies for a .45 project that will be done soon. Have 4198, regular blue harvesters and the 195 barnes and 200 sst all ready to go. Plan to start lower and work my way up to 62gr of 4198 and see what's what.
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Post by Richard on Jul 22, 2010 13:20:47 GMT -5
Deadon.............Take some time and go thru the loads I have listed in the "Loads by Richard" section at the top of the page. There is a lot of information there. Look at my loads from this past Tuesday.............you will see I have not gone completely sabot less. Only the 230 gr. bullets were shot sabotless. Everything else was shot with the BLUE Harvesters. Richard
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Post by deadon on Jul 24, 2010 9:08:32 GMT -5
I just looked Richard, Thanks Onnnnnne more question (yeh ya'll believe that ,right), can I use my 50 cal Savage ram rod in the pacnor?
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Post by deadon on Jul 24, 2010 9:19:36 GMT -5
I talked to.Boarhog last night and maybe the tan sabots will work for me if they don't get stretched out going down the barrel. I do not intend to use any super hot loads. The again, if the 45 doesn't kick too much ,who knows ;D When I was around 20 yrs old I shot a 460 Weatherby to prove I was a man. I got the B@#$# just not the shoulders anymore
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Post by Richard on Jul 24, 2010 15:31:51 GMT -5
Rusty..................Do you have a caliper or micrometer? If so, mic or check the diameter of your ram rod. The .45 cal. has a .450 (land to land) hole in it. If your ram rod is smaller, it will work. Now, if you have some type of .50 cal. jag or tip on it that is bigger than .450", then it will not go down. Richard
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Post by deadon on Jul 24, 2010 18:03:44 GMT -5
.439, I can use it. Will the pacnor have the ramrod thingy on it?
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Post by boarhog on Jul 25, 2010 0:36:27 GMT -5
Rusty, The Pac-Nor will NOT have the ramrod "thingy" on it, or sights. Many of us have gotten the new heavy duty Mac's Folding Ramrod. At the range, I use my Savage rod with a Spin Jag and Bore guide on it.
In the package I sent, I included some of the Barnes bullets Rangeball pictured, along with some Harvester Blue, Harvester Bl Cr Rib, and some MMP Tan sabots. I also sent some sized and knurled bullets to try sabot less. They may not be sized right for your barrel, but you might want to try them.
H-4198 has been pretty good in my 45. 56-63 grains, with 62 gr being most accurate so far. I have had so many scope and mount problems, that I will have to re-try several of the loads already tested. I plan to try some IMR-4198 soon. The local shop has quite a few jugs in stock.
To recess your BP, you drill a 1/2" deep hole where the VL screws in ( I am trying to remember what size drill i used), use an 82* counter sink, or chamfering bit to shape the bottom of the hole to fit the vent liner head. Then drill and tap with a 10-32, so the VL will screw in. This recess forms a cup in the BP nose that holds about 10-12 gr of powder, and shortens the distance the primer flame has to travel. Robert
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Post by deadon on Jul 25, 2010 14:19:52 GMT -5
Nine more weeks. If anyone knows Penny, maybe you could goose her for me and she would hurry
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Post by Richard on Jul 25, 2010 17:32:57 GMT -5
Rotsa-Ruck! ;D...............Patients is a virtue Deadon Richard
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