Billy
8 Pointer
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May 14, 2010 21:02:45 GMT -5
Post by Billy on May 14, 2010 21:02:45 GMT -5
I have a couple of questions for those that use wads as part of their load. What is the advantage or disadvantage of vegetable wads versus wool wads? Also, what thickness wads have you found to be the best? I'm in NC and trying to shoot in hot weather. I need all the sabot protection possible.
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May 15, 2010 7:58:24 GMT -5
Post by edge on May 15, 2010 7:58:24 GMT -5
I use a 0.060 veg. wad soaked in natural lube.
Advantages:
1) lubes the bore and prevents plastic buildup; 2) protects the sabot and helps seal the bore ( perhaps more velocity ).
Disadvantages:
a) adds weight to the bullet sabot combo ( more recoil and perhaps lower velocities ); b) it has the potential to steer the sabot off course due to its mass.
Wonder wads do not work with my machined sabots so the pluses and minuses I will leave to others.
edge.
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May 15, 2010 18:52:11 GMT -5
Post by Richard on May 15, 2010 18:52:11 GMT -5
Billy.........If you will look at the recent thread I posted: Some interesting tests........45 cal. « Thread Started on May 11, 2010, 5:01pm »
And, look at group #2, you will see how use of a .060" wad turned what could have been a 2" group into a 9" group. By and large, I don't think they are an advantage with the quality sabots, such as Harvesters, we have today. My advice to you (and I live over by Hickory NC) is to get a cool rod (see hints and tips) and use it after every shot. I shoot 12 months a year and have no problem with heat even in the warmest weather. The wad come into play when you are shooting "sabot less" as they help to seal the bore until bullet obturation occurs (which then seals the bore). I see you are probably about 2 hours east of me. If you ever wanted to get together with Herman and myself at my club to do some shooting, just let me know. Richard
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Billy
8 Pointer
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May 15, 2010 23:45:42 GMT -5
Post by Billy on May 15, 2010 23:45:42 GMT -5
Edge and Richard, I appreciate your responses. I bought my first 10ML-II several years ago and I'm on my second one now (I upgraded to the HB LTD edition). I'm primarily interested in the 10ML-II for hunting and I'm not into the target shooting that you guys are. I shoot my Savage 10 time as much as my friends that own them, but not a fraction of what you do. I gather that the tendency is away from wads and BBSB, but the use of them is the only way I've been able to get consistent results. I have not tried the cooling rods, but have read the posts that you recommended. I've tried most of the popular powders that have been recommended over the years. I settled on N110 (43 grains) with my previous rifle, and that has worked fairly well with the HB as well, except for hot weather. I've been shooting some H4198 for the last week and that has really impressed me. The accuracy is better and it doesn't seem to foul nearly as much in my particular 10ML. Richard, I'm very appreciative of your invitation, but I'm not in your league with the Savage. Thank you for all the advice.
Billy
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tick
Forkhorn
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May 16, 2010 5:39:07 GMT -5
Post by tick on May 16, 2010 5:39:07 GMT -5
Billy, I believe you are missing a GREAT opportunity to shoot with some very nice people who could help you with your shooting form as well as maybe finding the sweet spot for your 10MLII. Nobody in that group is going to poke fun at you but they WILL be able to help you. Take advantage of Richards offer and go shoot with them sometime. I promise you that you won't regret it!
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Billy
8 Pointer
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May 16, 2010 6:32:48 GMT -5
Post by Billy on May 16, 2010 6:32:48 GMT -5
I completely understand, Tick. I've followed posts from these guys for years. That's why they intimidate me . Just kidding. Richard, I'll certainly let you know if I get a chance to take you up on that offer.
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May 16, 2010 7:05:13 GMT -5
Post by edge on May 16, 2010 7:05:13 GMT -5
If your rifle likes them then use them, you can;t make your rifle shoot what you want most of the time I have shot more than 10,000 rounds through my Savages. Most were 50 caliber and all but a few hundred used a greased fiber wad...and often some other junk in there as well ;D The other junk often would produce a flier, but still hunting accuracy. As far as the greased wads, I would not use them if I did not feel that they helped in some way...and I would not use them if they did not help either. If a side by side comparison shows that they help then stick with them with that load! edge.
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Billy
8 Pointer
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May 16, 2010 8:35:40 GMT -5
Post by Billy on May 16, 2010 8:35:40 GMT -5
Edge, do you think the grease in the wad could have any negative effect on the powder if the rifle is left loaded for a week or longer? I'm thinking about our week long ML season that could possibly become 2 weeks this year. Unfortunately, I sometimes go the whole ML season without firing a shot. ;D
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May 16, 2010 9:04:11 GMT -5
Post by edge on May 16, 2010 9:04:11 GMT -5
I don't know, I shoot mine out at the end of the day 99% of the time!
Summer would probably be the best time to rule out the grease as a problem since it will get hot and the grease will be more apt to migrate into the powder if it is going to.
edge.
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Billy
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May 16, 2010 15:29:56 GMT -5
Post by Billy on May 16, 2010 15:29:56 GMT -5
You're right. I'll load it up and see what it does after about a week.
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May 16, 2010 19:42:32 GMT -5
Post by Richard on May 16, 2010 19:42:32 GMT -5
Billy.........Don't be intimidated We just love to shoot! As you can tell, we play around with all kinds of loads just to see what works and what does not. If you ever have any free time, you are more than welcome to shoot with us. (seriously, get a cool rod and enjoy shooting in the heat ) Richard
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Billy
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May 17, 2010 6:01:37 GMT -5
Post by Billy on May 17, 2010 6:01:37 GMT -5
Thanks, Richard. Can you tell me more about the cool rod? I did a search on the old board, but what I found was about 6 years old. I believe at that time Edge had made one from .50 solid copper. Is that still how you're doing it? I believe I saw a post you made on NC HuntandFish. I go by Billy over there as well.
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May 17, 2010 7:28:08 GMT -5
Post by deadon on May 17, 2010 7:28:08 GMT -5
With the advice of others on this board, I went to Home Depot,some have found them at Lowes, and bought a 3' 1/2 " piece of round aluminum rod. I then put my drill in a vice,the rod in the drill and worked it down with emrey cloth. When it would go down the barrel PUSHING I removed it from the drill and took a 3M pad and polished it up and down the rod.It slides very smoooothly down the barrel. Took maybe two hours.
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May 17, 2010 8:41:01 GMT -5
Post by rangeball on May 17, 2010 8:41:01 GMT -5
I did like deadon except I ordered my rod off the net. If I had it to do over again (and I will when I finish my .45 build) I'll order one from rossman assuming he has them available.
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May 17, 2010 9:17:06 GMT -5
Post by edge on May 17, 2010 9:17:06 GMT -5
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May 17, 2010 13:09:29 GMT -5
Post by bigmoose on May 17, 2010 13:09:29 GMT -5
I use wonder wads for all my sabotless shooting, I have yet to try them with my .50, athough Edge sent me some Veggie wads. Since with my .50, I am shooting max loads, I don't want to experiment, adding any weight to the load. 300gr Barnes X bullets w/70grs of H4198, and 350gr Barnes X bullets, in winter, we sometimes we get 50 degree weather, I go with 70grs, but in warmer weather, I have to go down to as low as 62grs to keep from blowing the sabot, Next time I'll add the veggie wad, to boost up the powder load, I like to practise, with the same load I hunt with.
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