.458 cut ups

[Al]

Took me a bit to find them all and thanks to Muddy for sending a couple to slice up.

Gives a good idea of the jacket thickness of the various .458 offerings that some of you guys use.

From the left, Hornady 300gr with single cannuler, Hornady 300gr with double cannuler, 300gr Remington, 300gr Speer Unicore, 300gr BO, 325gr FTX, and a Hawk which I forgot the weight, but it was from a special run they did for some of the guys here a couple of years back.

Hornady says their 300gr is a Interlock, but I can't see it anywheres inside the jacket, where as the FTX, it's just below the cannuler.



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this one might show the jacket thickness better.


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[shoot2reload]

Spectacular! Thanks for taking the time to put all that together!

[screwbolts]

Very nice photo and nice counter. :-)

Do you know any one that has a lead alloy hardness tester to see what the core of the projectiles measures for hardness, that also would help control expansion. I have yet to invest in a BHN tester or I would offer to check them for you.

Ken

[Al]

Ken, that first pic is off one of the granite surface plates at work.

No, I don't have a hardness tester, I'd assume these are close to pure lead, they were all pretty gummy cutting in half.

[bigmoose]

Al,

Excellent photo's, how about Barnes TMZ , X and Buster.

[screwbolts]

Surface plate, I should have looked closer and I would have seen the V-Blocks. :-)

Ken

[Al]

May 8, 2010 9:16:54 GMT -5 bigmoose said:

Al,

Excellent photo's, how about Barnes TMZ , X and Buster.

Marty, didn't have any of those on hand.

[deadon]

Thanks Al, Great info Boarhog sent me some 300 gr BOs and I noticed the indentation in the bottom and wondered if that had anything to do with the consistant accuracy of these bullets. It is also interesting to learn from your pics that the Jacket also has a hole in it

[bigmoose]

Al,

I can sent them to you, I wonder what will show up since they are all cooper?

[muddy72]

Al, Good work as always!!!

[smokeeter]

May 8, 2010 9:16:54 GMT -5 bigmoose said:

Al,

Excellent photo's, how about Barnes TMZ , X and Buster.

Marty the jackets on those are pretty thick, at least he TMZ's are they go pretty much right thru.

[bigmoose]

Paul, I hack sawed a used Barnes 350 X, nothing see, all copper

I cut it from the base, didn't go far. all I could see was copper.

But they open up perfectly [when shot].350 before, 350 after.

Are you starting to plan your hunt?

[craigf]

Al, nice work!

[shoot2reload]

May 8, 2010 10:56:11 GMT -5 deadon said:

Thanks Al, Great info Boarhog sent me some 300 gr BOs and I noticed the indentation in the bottom and wondered if that had anything to do with the consistant accuracy of these bullets.

I don't think that particular piece of geometry would come into much play for us, as we're (presumably) shooting these with sabots. The 45-70 crowd might enjoy some sort of benefit though? The BO really shines because of the ballistic profile and large bearing surface.

I just wish they were cheaper.

[Richard]

Very nice illustration Al! Did you cut them on a mill and then finish them up with a disc grinder or belt sander?
Richard

[zakjak221]

Nice work, thanks for your efforts & sharing with us.
Gives a guy a better idea of construction for perfomance.

Mark ;D

[Al]

Richard, yep just used a Bridgeport, then have one of those fine grit, stickey back, PSA sanding pads stuck on the bench top to touch them up a bit. A couple of days in the ole pockets, darkens the lead up to see the jacket better.

[edge]

Very nicely done

Sent to the archives...if you don't mind

edge.

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[chuck41]

Outstanding post and really good information. Makes you understand why so many guys swear by the Barnes Original. Have you tried any of the .400" or .410" offerings?

[rossman40]

If you see them you better get them if you want to try them Chuck. Every year they wittle the list down, now they are down to like 10-11 this year in the Barnes catalog. 4 in .458, with a couple of each in .348, .375 and .510. Fred was big into the WCF cartridges and when he started his bullet making seen a nich.

[Al]

May 11, 2010 9:29:15 GMT -5 chuck41 said:

Outstanding post and really good information. Makes you understand why so many guys swear by the Barnes Original. Have you tried any of the .400" or .410" offerings?

Chuck, I have a few different 40cals cut up, just need to round them up and snap a pic.

[boarhog]

Does Barnes make an Original in 400 or .410? I thought they only made the all copper types?

[rangeball]

As the name suggests, this was the original barnes bullet I believe. They went on in later years to move to all copper offerings, possibly after an ownership change if I remember right. I don't believe they made the original in .40 or .410.

[rossman40]

If I remember rightly Fred made some originals in .40 for like the 38-40 (the 38-55 took a .375-.377 which is still being made), .41 for the 405 Winchester and .405 for like the .40 Sharp's, Remington's , Ballard's and not to mention the 40-65 Winchester. Of course back in the early 1900s a 405 Winchester was a big game rifle (Teddy Roosevelt's favorite for lions). The .405 is making a comeback much like the 38-40, 38-55 and 40-65 are with cowboy shooters.

Fred started making bullets in the early 30s, the Brooks didn't buy it till like 74 (after a couple of others tried to make a go of it) and the solid "X" bullets didn't start showing up till the late 80s. Of course they have been thinning out the Original line-up for years. They might keep the .458s, that is currently the biggest seller of the line.