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[deadon]

Hey guys, ive been lurking for months and now have one of many many questions. why no bullets recomended lighter than 250 grs in most of the suggested loads for the 10ml? ive been blk hunting for yrs and love the 200 gr dead center. thank you, rusty

[mountainam]

The PR Dead Center are great bullets for BP and Subs but the violent burn rates of smokeless will obturate the soft lead bullet excessively rendering them inaccurate. Please click on the Load thread in the smokeless section and then click on Duplex loads by RB. The theory behind light bullets in a .50 cal is explained in detail. I, like you, put off reading this information until recently and you will realize the magnitude of RB's brilliance in this and other matters of the Savage 10 ML.

[jeff]

welcome to the forum.
Jeff~

[zakjak221]

Some guys shoot 195 & 200 gr bullets--many of these are sabotless.
But for the mostpart its 250-300 gr range for the Savage ml.
IMO its about the accuracy/velocity factor and as you've maybe read/experienced the sabot is a major factor on accuracy. So a thicker sabot with a lighter bullet may not give the best accuracy for a recommended load.
Again, its trial & error and what works for your gun.

Mark

[mike3132]

Very simple, mis-fires. There is not enough bullet length with lighter bullets to to seal the sabot/bullet combo. It takes pressure to burn smokeless. You might get 3-4 to fire then you will have a mis-fire. Once you increase the powder using jacketed bullets you will get "sabot drilling". The bullet will drill a hole in the sabot. 250 grain bullets and up are the best in a .50. Mike

[deadon]

thank you all for the help. i just bought my 10ml and like the feel of it but im getting older and am concerced about kick bot still need an accurate muzzleloader that will kill whitetail deer out to 250 yrds. I have reverted bact to a 243 win rifle and am happy so far with the results. may not have too many yrs left to experiment so i am brain picking. again thank you.

[tar12]

The fact of the matter is Deadon that to shoot to 250 yds accuratley and with enough energy out of the .50 to kill deer,you are going to have a certain level of recoil.In the .50 cal the closer you get to actual bore dia. with a given bullet the more accurate it is going to be.In order to achieve this it is going to require 300 grn bullet in my experience.Thats not to say that a 250 grn bullet will not get it done,but it is saying that the 300 grn bullets stay on track better and our more accurate to 300 yds than their smaller brothers.If recoil is your primary issue you may want to consider a Pac-Nor .45.You do not have to shoot this sabotless as many are not.With this option you can indeed shoot the lighter weight 195 barnes and 200 SST and XTP.I see no reason why you can not have a very accurate and tame load @2300-2400 fps out of the .45 that will get the job done at 250 yds easily with out getting beat up in the process....

[spaniel]

I don't see anyone who's explicitly stated it, but while .40cal bullets are used in regular 50cal MLs the thick sabots necessary do not do well with smokeless. So .45 for the bullet is about the smallest you can go, limiting you to around 240-250gr minimum. If you want to shoot 200gr bullets, a Pac-Nor .45 will get you there.

[deadon]

Thanks again for all the info and i have been reading the recommended loads but am puzzled.Under the second group of recommended loads the 275 gr and the 300 gr PR bullets are listed with VV 110 powder. Are these the dead center bullets i was asking about earlier and if so does the vv110 not distort the soft lead these bullets are made of? also why are the BC of these bullets not listed? Thank you all again?

[pcgolfer]

When you get a chance google Randy Wakeman and Savage. He addresses every possible issue you could imagine - including the bullet issues. You can't go wrong with 5744 powder, Hornady XTP 250-300 and MMP sabots. The gun just likes them. .... at least both of mine do and the three my friend and his father have.

[nitro1947]

seems to me that i have some 200 gr xtps i bought to downsize to shoot sabotless ..i think they were 451 or 452

[rangeball]

Jan 5, 2010 14:01:58 GMT -5 nitro1947 said:

seems to me that i have some 200 gr xtps i bought to downsize to shoot sabotless ..i think they were 451 or 452

Nitro, these have their own different issues. Yes 200gr .451-2 bullets are out there but typically their bearing surface is so short that accuracy suffers.