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Post by pposey on Dec 22, 2009 11:45:41 GMT -5
I remember reading about this but cant find it, anybody remember? I have a chance for a decent deal on one
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Post by rangeball on Dec 22, 2009 11:47:54 GMT -5
Before he disappeared rbinar was offering this for $80. Current barrel tapped for BP and head spaced. Fantastic deal. Some others have done their own with cartridge type plugs, but this would be the direction I'd want to go if I got a good deal on one and could wait for rb to come up for air  |
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Post by pposey on Dec 22, 2009 11:49:19 GMT -5
That sounds great, I'll see about getting the H&R,,,,
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Post by pposey on Dec 22, 2009 12:51:58 GMT -5
Anybody know if this combo works well with sabots? I see no reason it would not?
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Post by rangeball on Dec 22, 2009 12:55:29 GMT -5
Anybody know if this combo works well with sabots? I see no reason it would not? Pretty sure rb said no guarantee on accuracy as he has no control over the barrel quality, but the H&Rs seem to shoot well with cartridges, I suspect they will do quite well with sabots or even sabotless as a ml. If you find a good deal on two, let me know, nephew is wanting to go smokeless and this would be a cheaper way for him to do so |
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Post by Jon on Dec 22, 2009 13:10:37 GMT -5
For any one that is interested I have a nef center fire action and synthetic I think everything but barrel, I picked this a while ago With good intentions of a light relatively reasonable m/l It is still in the box it came in. I don't have much invested in it if anyone is interested.
Jon
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Post by dave d. on Dec 22, 2009 13:19:28 GMT -5
:)i think edge converted a handi 45/70 and the lands were very shallow making to bore from l to l large. Might be a problem getting a good fit with sabots.
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Post by pposey on Dec 22, 2009 14:18:56 GMT -5
ahaaaaa Mmmm wonder if a .410 bullet would work with a blue crush rib?
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Post by rangeball on Dec 22, 2009 14:23:21 GMT -5
For any one that is interested I have a nef center fire action and synthetic I think everything but barrel, I picked this a while ago With good intentions of a light relatively reasonable m/l It is still in the box it came in. I don't have much invested in it if anyone is interested. Jon PM sent |
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Post by Dave W on Dec 22, 2009 14:48:38 GMT -5
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Post by edge on Dec 22, 2009 15:25:25 GMT -5
I made a removable breechplug for mine. I never really tried it much but may sometime The grooves are VERY shallow and the bore is backward! Tight at the breech and loose at the muzzle. With some load work I am sure that you could find something that will work....probably 200 yards is doable. edge. |
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Post by squirrelhawker on Dec 23, 2009 10:44:35 GMT -5
I have the encore pro-hunter with the 20" 45-70 "katahdin" fluted barrel. Went with a cartridge type plug. I worked the trigger on the gun to get a 1.5 lb or so pull. Also have a H&R ultra hunter 45-70 24" with a screw in type plug. See pics. I can shoot better with the TC probably somewhat to do with the better trigger but the rifling quality does seem better with the TC. After shooting the TC a hundred or so times with the "cartridge" type plug ..I am becoming a believer in them. I am a decent shooter (not the best) and if I do my part it will do under an inch @ 100 yds. with 60 gr H4198, std. lt. blue harvester, CCI 209M 200 gr. .400" SST. around 2550 fps out of the 20" barrel. The 24" H&R gets about another 100 fps with that load. I still have not got my pac-nor/ savage gun together yet. Benn busy with matters other than hunting and shooting  I did finally get the ignition system made for my gun. Will do another post on it.      The H&R ultra 45-70 conversion.  Pic is fuzzy. Screw in plug. My buddy has the same gun only he uses the push in plug in his and he is very happy with it. |
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Post by chuck41 on Dec 23, 2009 16:05:10 GMT -5
Squirrelhawker, that is one fine looking rifle. If it shoots half as well as it looks it should be a dandy. Beautiful thumbhole stock.
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Post by lanenebraska on Dec 23, 2009 16:51:36 GMT -5
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Post by squirrelhawker on Dec 23, 2009 17:46:56 GMT -5
The problem I see with using the cartridge case rather than a plug is the inability to deprime it. Having to shoot it before leaving the field (every time) wouldnt appeal to me. The game wardens around these parts say if your gun is loaded/primed while in your possession then you are "hunting". It will get you a citation at your car. FWIW  |
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Post by squirrelhawker on Dec 23, 2009 17:54:09 GMT -5
Squirrelhawker, that is one fine looking rifle. If it shoots half as well as it looks it should be a dandy. Beautiful thumbhole stock. They are nice looking (for an H&R ) This one has the taper in the bore just like Edge mentioned before. I have not shot it as much as the TC but it is definitely a respectable shooter. The TC is really handy with the short 20" barrel and I got the trigger nice on it. I hope to be able to do some shooting when the weather breaks and or I get the time. |
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Post by pposey on Dec 23, 2009 17:57:38 GMT -5
Yep hafta have a breech plug around here so ya can "unload" as well
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Post by jims on Dec 23, 2009 21:05:53 GMT -5
Nice.
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Post by Dave W on Dec 23, 2009 21:59:33 GMT -5
Is the powder column longer than the case on these loads-velocities? |
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Post by lanenebraska on Dec 23, 2009 23:25:31 GMT -5
Is the powder column longer than the case on these loads-velocities?
And yes I do have to shoot off my load, before I leave the field ;D After the Holidays I will contact SquirrelHawker's buddy for that push-in breech plug 
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Post by 161 on Dec 24, 2009 0:42:22 GMT -5
Would an aggressive DNR Officer say you could just remove the plug for a second shot and put a 45-70 shell in?
Just wondering.
161
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Post by rangeball on Dec 24, 2009 10:39:05 GMT -5
sqirrelhawker, on the 45/70 H&R conversion, how long is the breech plug? With the powder column do you feel the saboted bullet is sitting in the rifling and not down in the throat?
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Post by unloaded on Dec 24, 2009 20:19:04 GMT -5
Has anybody done this with a 44mag? Just curious because there are a few decent bullets out there compared to the 40's.
peace.
unloaded
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Post by rangeball on Dec 28, 2009 11:55:36 GMT -5
Has anybody done this with a 44mag? Just curious because there are a few decent bullets out there compared to the 40's. peace. unloaded Pretty sure the .44 and .357 mags come on the non-hardened SB-1 shotgun frame. Don't know if this means the barrels are made from softer steel also, but I would check with H&R on this before converting one. |
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Post by ttracer9 on Dec 28, 2009 12:06:20 GMT -5
Squirrel where can I get one of those cartridge plugs for the encore? They are really cool.
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Post by olsmokey on Dec 28, 2009 19:36:55 GMT -5
If your useing a wad on top of the powder, why can't you load the brass with powder, shove the wad in the brass to hold the powder and load bullet from muzzle. That way you can unload without having to shoot it every time.
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Post by deadeer on Dec 28, 2009 20:14:09 GMT -5
Olsmokey, good thinking but if the powder column were not higher than the throat of the chamber, the bullet would be into the throat and not in the rifling anymore. Not a good situation!
Jay
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Post by olsmokey on Dec 29, 2009 10:15:19 GMT -5
Maybe use a sub bridge or a veg.wad to take up the space? You could load it with the bullet. Or just fill it up with powder. OUCH that'l leave a mark
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Post by squirrelhawker on Dec 30, 2009 15:08:19 GMT -5
sqirrelhawker, on the 45/70 H&R conversion, how long is the breech plug? With the powder column do you feel the saboted bullet is sitting in the rifling and not down in the throat? My H&R ultra hunter 45-70 uses a screw in plug..as in the H&R pic. The machined barrel gets past the throat. The cavity in the plug is about 5/8" deep. My buddy did his H&R with the push in plug as is pictured with my encore prohunter. After shooting both guns...I really like the idea of the push-in plug. It sounds like it would be a hassle but isnt. It is very easy to unprime. This way you dont have to machine your barrel and could put it back into service as a 45-70 later. NOTE; Edge brought up the possibility of stretching the action due to the increased force on the breech face. (Not enough "gripping" action from the plug as compared to a thin brass case. I have been measuring the gap between the barrel and action and there hasnt been any increase so far. probably shot it about 70 times since Edge brought it to my attention. So far-so good. The cavity in the push in plug is also around 5/8"... with a savage style vent liner at the bottom. This allows the saboted bullet to get past the throat area easily with the 60 grain H4198 load we use/ have been using. As in most of the guys shooting the 45..the harvester light blue seems to be the one. The MMP tan wont even get on paper for me often. |
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Post by squirrelhawker on Dec 30, 2009 15:13:54 GMT -5
Would an aggressive DNR Officer say you could just remove the plug for a second shot and put a 45-70 shell in? Just wondering. 161 They could speculate that. I would recommend you dont have any ammo on you..ha ha ha. They do actually trust us in some ways.  For example..in Ohio, you can use an over/under design gun with..lets say a 20 ga. under a 30-30 barrel. ( For the shot-gun season) Dont get caught with any 30-30 ammo on you though..  |
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For example..in Ohio, you can use an over/under design gun with..lets say a 20 ga. under a 30-30 barrel. ( For the shot-gun season) Dont get caught with any 30-30 ammo on you though.. 